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(02-14-2019, 11:57 AM)cincydawg Wrote: What evidence is there that God is the Christian God?
As opposed to any other type?
Doubting Thomas wanted to see the evidence that Jesus had risen.Â
John 20:24-29
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.â€
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!â€Â 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.â€
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!â€
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed;blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.â€
Has anything in the Bible been proven as false? People have tried for ages to disprove it and no one can. Is this not a bit of evidence?
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Let's stipulate there is a Creator.
What evidence exists "in nature" that said Creator is the Christian God?
There is none.
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(02-14-2019, 12:03 PM)cincydawg Wrote: Let's stipulate there is a Creator.
What evidence exists "in nature" that said Creator is the Christian God?
There is none.
See? Paul is right.
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(02-14-2019, 12:03 PM)cincydawg Wrote: Let's stipulate there is a Creator.
What evidence exists "in nature" that said Creator is the Christian God?
There is none.
Have you, in your life, approached science the same way that you approach this? Â Essentially with closed eyes saying "I can't see anything"....
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(02-14-2019, 12:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 11:53 AM)unc4corners Wrote: (02-14-2019, 11:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 11:34 AM)unc4corners Wrote: (02-14-2019, 11:23 AM)cincydawg Wrote: I think condemning millions and billions of humans who had no chance at salvation is unjust and immoral. First of all God judges those at the end of times.Â
It's not clearly stated how God judges people like babies that die and young children. We tend to believe that until they reach the age of knowing right from wrong they will be in Heaven. Â
Again, you have no understanding of the God I know if you feel He is unjust and immoral.
unc, I know we are not on the same page with this, but the Bible seems to say all of humanity is condemned not merely because of specific sinful acts but because they are inherently sinful from the moment they are conceived. There is no magic age of accountability although as humans we have a hard time accepting God's condemnation of children and the mentally ill. But there seems to be no wiggle room. The Bible only addresses the issue of babies that die.
2 Samuel 12:33 states:  23 But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.â€
This was David's child with Bathsheba when he had an affair with her while her husband was at war and eventually David ordered his death. Â
God did not allow their baby to live as punishment for their sin. Â
David obviously knows he will see this child again when he says "Can I bring him back? I will go to him (at David's death), but he will not return to me (at this present life).
This gives parents "hope" that their lost child will be in Heaven one day. Surely the same God will allow the mentally ill who doesn't comprehend sin and salvation will do the same.
There are not scriptures in the Bible to cover the mentally ill but the one about David and his son is covered. The Bible doesn't have to say it 100's of times in scripture. One is sufficient.
I think there is reason to assume that baby was included in God's covenant. That still doesn't deter from the universal condemnation of humanity that Paul writes about. Certainly the wrath of God was openly displayed in the Old Testament with no discrimination about age. God's people of the OT destroyed everyone when ordered to by God, including infants and children.
I read a commentary on this once. It made a lot of sense.
In these wicked cities God knew (omniscience) that these women and children were all evil and WOULD not ever become Christ centered. Yes, they would have had chances but He knew they would not nor ever repent of their sins. This is why he elected to go ahead and wipe out these evil and wicked cities.
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"Has anything in the Bible been proven as false? People have tried for ages to disprove it and no one can. Is this not a bit of evidence?"
This is amusing from several points, but they are obvious.
I personally will not worship and praise a god who condemns billions of humans to an eternity in Hell just because of where and when they were born. Not a remote chance of that happening ever.
(02-14-2019, 12:05 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:03 PM)cincydawg Wrote: Let's stipulate there is a Creator.
What evidence exists "in nature" that said Creator is the Christian God?
There is none.
See? Paul is right.
No, Paul, like billions of people before/after him, believes that HIS God is the true creator. There's no reason to believe that he's any more right than Muslims, Buddhists, etc.
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(02-14-2019, 12:06 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:03 PM)cincydawg Wrote: Let's stipulate there is a Creator.
What evidence exists "in nature" that said Creator is the Christian God?
There is none.
Have you, in your life, approached science the same way that you approach this? Â Essentially with closed eyes saying "I can't see anything"....
The entire scientific method is comprised of having doubt, seeking evidence, testing hypothesis, testing them again as creatively as possible, etc. If there is a Creator, He or She need not be the Christian God. Â
There is no evidence at all to support such speculation.
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(02-14-2019, 12:07 PM)cincydawg Wrote: "Has anything in the Bible been proven as false? Â People have tried for ages to disprove it and no one can. Â Is this not a bit of evidence?"
This is amusing from several points, but they are obvious.
I personally will not worship and praise a god who condemns billions of humans to an eternity in Hell just because of where and when they were born. Â Not a remote chance of that happening ever.
Congratulations for exercising your free will. Â Each of us are born with it.
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(02-14-2019, 12:09 PM)cincydawg Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:06 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:03 PM)cincydawg Wrote: Let's stipulate there is a Creator.
What evidence exists "in nature" that said Creator is the Christian God?
There is none.
Have you, in your life, approached science the same way that you approach this? Â Essentially with closed eyes saying "I can't see anything"....
The entire scientific method is comprised of having doubt, seeking evidence, testing hypothesis, testing them again as creatively as possible, etc. If there is a Creator, He or She need not be the Christian God. Â
There is no evidence at all to support such speculation.
You seek no evidence. Â You betray the very fundamental steps that you support in other endeavors.
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By asking the question, I obviously am seeking evidence.
None can provide any evidence for obvious reasons.
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(02-14-2019, 12:15 PM)cincydawg Wrote: By asking the question, I obviously am seeking evidence.
None can provide any evidence for obvious reasons.
You are 'seeking evidence' by announcing your preconceived conclusion. Â That's fine, again, it's your life.
If people, who are atheistic in belief such as Lee Strobel or CS Lewis can find evidence, I suggest that the evidence is there for anyone who is open to seeing it. Â
You aren't. Â That's your prerogative.
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