Christians and sin......

[cincydawg]

So, everyone is condemned and has to take specific actions (some disagreement about what of course) to be Saved.

And those who never heard about those pathways remain condemned.

[P1tchblack]

The statement about the evidence of God being there is timeless and is valid for the period of time prior to Jesus.

According to the bible and people who already believe in God.  For the people who lived pre-Jesus, what was this evidence that they missed that has now resulted in billions being condemned to eternal damnation?

Jesus taught the exact same lessons and ordinances that were taught in Father Adam's day.

and.....?

So people had access to the gospel before Christ was born.

How? Jesus was the one who introduced man to the Christian God and Christianity.

[Hightop77]

So, everyone is condemned and has to take specific actions (some disagreement about what of course) to be Saved.

And those who never heard about those pathways remain condemned.

Christianity says to believe in the specific action that has already been taken.

[P1tchblack]

Is anyone trying to convert you? You can worship the Sun for all I care.

Shouldn't a loving, caring and graceful God WANT us to believe given that our eternal life is on the line?  Shouldn't God have made himself known BEFORE religions like Hinduism started and have now condemned billions to an eternity of nothingness?

People are naturally attracted to religions of various types.  Some would say using his only Begotten as the mechanism for human salvation is the ultimate loving and graceful act.  Problem is you want God to play by your rules and that is not going to happen.

It's a fact that people tend to take on the religion of their parents.  Hindu kids become hindus.  Christian kids become Christians.  Muslim kids become Muslims.  At the time Jesus was born, Hinduism already had a 1,000 year head start.  Add in the fact that, because of where Jesus was born, Paul & Co. were very limited in where they were able to "spread the word" so, now, billions of people are condemned due to nothing other than where they were born.

The story of a "sacrificial son" isn't even unique to Christianity.

No.  Condemnation was started at conception. You are not condemned because of lack of Christian outreach.  You are condemned because you are a sinner from conception.

how are you saved from condemnation?

[Orbit1]

Regarding why God used the Flood to wipe out the Earth and had the children of Israel utterly destroy cities and kill every man woman,child and animals...I've been reading a book but noted scholar Dr Michael Heiser. He is an ancient language and culture scholar. The book is called The Unseen Realm. He pulls from the ancient Hebrew text and also other cultures text and stories, and explains why God destroy some peoples, and let others live. 

He starts with this scripture Psalms 82:1-2
82 (Mizmor of Asaph.) Elohim standeth in the Adat El; He judgeth among the elohim 
Or in the NKJV
82 God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.
If Elohim means God, how can God stand among gods?

Honestly is not an easy read, in it he has hundreds of references to other published works and papers. One might want to read it, if they wanted a scholar viewpoint on this subject. He takes you thru the OT clear into the NT and attempts to show and prove, by the text not an opinion, of what this is all about. Yes he is a Christian and follower of Christ. Also his book The Supernatural is an easier read that explains things more on a everyday level. His work will def make you question some things you thought you knew. 
It also puts the Supernatural aspect of the World back into focus. After all, God is Supernatural. As are angels, demons, The fallen one, etc..

I would recommend this book, especially if someone is looking for a more fact based and not an opinion approach.

https://www.amazon.com/Unseen-Realm-Reco..._3?ie=UTF8&qid=1550168958&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=the+unseen+realm+michael+heiser&dpPl=1&dpID=41zob-f1BeL&ref=plSrch

Dr Hieser is also on YouTube and has a podcast. He's a scholar, so his talks are really dry.

[Brutus Buckeye]

You switched from something about how the universe is now expanding to something about before it was generated.

I am able to DISCUSS various theories without stating what I personally BELIEVE.  

The BBT does involve an expanding universe, as I stated, and there is pretty solid evidence for that.  It's pretty hard to contrive another theory to account for what we observe.  I can't.  That doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

That was precisely the way that you explained it to those of us that you deemed too dumb to understand it. 

The funny thing is that the point that you were trying to make throughout that thread is that mankind will abandon religion as we gain scientific understanding. Then you come out with a theory that, by your own admission, is a difficult concept for mankind to grasp. 

Yes it is a difficult concept for mankind to grasp because the idea of space and time being nonexistent is fairly nonsensical. You want to say that both space and time extend infinitely in all directions? Fine. That at least makes sense. But a bubble created by the big bang that creates space and time as it expands into space that doesn't even exist yet? 

If that is the science that you are banking on in order to inspire mankind to abandon religion, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Any of the "manmade" Gods, Christian or otherwise, are more believable than space and time not existing in any capacity before the big bang, or outside of the ever expanding bubble that resulted from the big bang.

[Hightop77]

Shouldn't a loving, caring and graceful God WANT us to believe given that our eternal life is on the line?  Shouldn't God have made himself known BEFORE religions like Hinduism started and have now condemned billions to an eternity of nothingness?

People are naturally attracted to religions of various types.  Some would say using his only Begotten as the mechanism for human salvation is the ultimate loving and graceful act.  Problem is you want God to play by your rules and that is not going to happen.

It's a fact that people tend to take on the religion of their parents.  Hindu kids become hindus.  Christian kids become Christians.  Muslim kids become Muslims.  At the time Jesus was born, Hinduism already had a 1,000 year head start.  Add in the fact that, because of where Jesus was born, Paul & Co. were very limited in where they were able to "spread the word" so, now, billions of people are condemned due to nothing other than where they were born.

The story of a "sacrificial son" isn't even unique to Christianity.

No.  Condemnation was started at conception. You are not condemned because of lack of Christian outreach.  You are condemned because you are a sinner from conception.

how are you saved from condemnation?

By faith

[cincydawg]

I am in no way "banking on science" to displace religion. At all, ever. You are lying about my intent and motivations.

I can however discuss a theory and try to correct misapprehensions about said theory. Whether people accept it or not is up to them, and not my concern. I would like for the various theories to be depicted as accurately and coherently as possible.

I find quite a bit of science difficult to comprehend. Much of it is beyond our senses, like atomic structure. That doesn't mean it's right, or wrong, but it can be perplexing. I do my best to explain things, and I am far from being good at it, and at times I don't understand it myself, obviously.

[Brutus Buckeye]

According to the bible and people who already believe in God.  For the people who lived pre-Jesus, what was this evidence that they missed that has now resulted in billions being condemned to eternal damnation?

Jesus taught the exact same lessons and ordinances that were taught in Father Adam's day.

and.....?

So people had access to the gospel before Christ was born.

How? Jesus was the one who introduced man to the Christian God and Christianity.

No, Father Adam was the one who introduced man to the Christian God and Christianity.

[Hightop77]

I find quite a bit of science difficult to comprehend.  Much of it is beyond our senses, ...

Yet you demand a simple explanation and perfect understanding of an infinite God just because ...

[cincydawg]

I do not at all.

Another lie.

[P1tchblack]

People are naturally attracted to religions of various types.  Some would say using his only Begotten as the mechanism for human salvation is the ultimate loving and graceful act.  Problem is you want God to play by your rules and that is not going to happen.

It's a fact that people tend to take on the religion of their parents.  Hindu kids become hindus.  Christian kids become Christians.  Muslim kids become Muslims.  At the time Jesus was born, Hinduism already had a 1,000 year head start.  Add in the fact that, because of where Jesus was born, Paul & Co. were very limited in where they were able to "spread the word" so, now, billions of people are condemned due to nothing other than where they were born.

The story of a "sacrificial son" isn't even unique to Christianity.

No.  Condemnation was started at conception. You are not condemned because of lack of Christian outreach.  You are condemned because you are a sinner from conception.

how are you saved from condemnation?

By faith

So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?

[Hightop77]

It's a fact that people tend to take on the religion of their parents.  Hindu kids become hindus.  Christian kids become Christians.  Muslim kids become Muslims.  At the time Jesus was born, Hinduism already had a 1,000 year head start.  Add in the fact that, because of where Jesus was born, Paul & Co. were very limited in where they were able to "spread the word" so, now, billions of people are condemned due to nothing other than where they were born.

The story of a "sacrificial son" isn't even unique to Christianity.

No.  Condemnation was started at conception. You are not condemned because of lack of Christian outreach.  You are condemned because you are a sinner from conception.

how are you saved from condemnation?

By faith

So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?

Looks pretty grim.

[P1tchblack]

No.  Condemnation was started at conception. You are not condemned because of lack of Christian outreach.  You are condemned because you are a sinner from conception.

how are you saved from condemnation?

By faith

So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?

Looks pretty grim.

And who's fault is that?

[Hightop77]

how are you saved from condemnation?

By faith

So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?

Looks pretty grim.

And who's fault is that?

We went through that.