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Imagine a religion that said do THIS and you have eternal blissful life, but fail to do THIS and you have eternal painful damnation. And the catch is that for folks who never ever hear a peep about THIS fall into Group 2.
Billions of humans are born and die without hearing a peep about that option.
(02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:59 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: By faith
So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
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(02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
God made and created the universe and first humans. How was Hinduism started before God?
(02-14-2019, 02:28 PM)unc4corners Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
God made and created the universe and first humans.Â
Something that wasn't revealed until Jesus told us.
How was Hinduism started before God?
I said Hinduism had existed for over 1,000 years before Jesus revealed Christianity/the Christian God to man.
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(02-14-2019, 12:44 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:31 PM)cincydawg Wrote: A religion that uses the excuse that it is well beyond the intellectual capabilities of mankind has no attraction for me.
It's an absurd precept. Â
I dislike lies.
What religion would that be? the christianity of his own making.
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(02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
You can blame God if you like. Salvation was always by faith even before Jesus arrived. Those in the OT were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
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I have zero interest in "making" a religion.
I am interested in religion as a topic obviously.
The mistake people make, apparently, is that because I may argue a point that I necessarily BELIEVE that point, or if I attempt to clarify a principle I must therefore ACCEPT that principle.
I think we have enough religions. All but one of them, if that, is a human construct. We don't need more.
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(02-14-2019, 12:44 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:31 PM)cincydawg Wrote: A religion that uses the excuse that it is well beyond the intellectual capabilities of mankind has no attraction for me.
It's an absurd precept. Â
I dislike lies.
What religion would that be? the christianity of his own making.
(02-14-2019, 02:35 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
You can blame God if you like. Salvation was always by faith even before Jesus arrived. Those in the OT were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
If I'd like? Who else would you blame for the fact that billions of people, by no fault of their own, are condemned for no other reason than where they were born?
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(02-14-2019, 02:22 PM)cincydawg Wrote: Imagine a religion that said do THIS and you have eternal blissful life, but fail to do THIS and you have eternal painful damnation. Â And the catch is that for folks who never ever hear a peep about THIS fall into Group 2.
Billions of humans are born and die without hearing a peep about that option.
Says believe this. Doesn't say to do anything.  God owes you no explanation why salvation seems unfair and unequal.
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(02-14-2019, 02:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:35 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
You can blame God if you like. Salvation was always by faith even before Jesus arrived. Those in the OT were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
If I'd like? Who else would you blame for the fact that billions of people, by no fault of their own, are condemned for no other reason than where they were born?
False. They are condemned for being sinners.
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Mother Earth is a living being. As such she had to be cleansed of her sins via baptism by full emersion in water. Hence the global flood.
The next destruction event involves Mother Earth being baptized by fire.
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(02-14-2019, 11:13 AM)cincydawg Wrote: So, any civilizations killed off by an act of God since 0 AD? Â No?
Any major miracles since then?
Any thought about the millions who lived in the Americas or Asia who had zero chance to hear about God in their lives?
Do they all perish to Hell?
God's last miracle was the 1969 Mets.
I asked this question two NH boards ago. I was given some burfle. How can a dude cutoff from 'civilization' ever hear of Jesus by name? He's supposed to sit in hell because some missionary didn't make it to his jungle or hut?
The America, and the American Military, that you once knew is gone.
(02-14-2019, 02:40 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:35 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
You can blame God if you like. Salvation was always by faith even before Jesus arrived. Those in the OT were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
If I'd like? Who else would you blame for the fact that billions of people, by no fault of their own, are condemned for no other reason than where they were born?
False. They are condemned for being sinners.
Sinners in the eyes of a God that they don't even know exists, because that God chose not to let the world know he existed until other religions were long established.
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(02-14-2019, 02:35 PM)cincydawg Wrote: I have zero interest in "making" a religion.
I am interested in religion as a topic obviously. Â
The mistake people make, apparently, is that because I may argue a point that I necessarily BELIEVE that point, or if I attempt to clarify a principle I must therefore ACCEPT that principle.
I think we have enough religions. Â All but one of them, if that, is a human construct. Â We don't need more.
I know that you enjoy having your beliefs hidden in a cloud of mystery, but perhaps putting them out there on the table would curtail any future misunderstandings?
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