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(02-14-2019, 02:42 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: Mother Earth is a living being. As such she had to be cleansed of her sins via baptism by full emersion in water. Hence the global flood.
The next destruction event involves Mother Earth being baptized by fire.
I listened to an (Astro) Physicist talk about the two possibilities of the end of the Earth. He mentioned the need to go to Mars and figure out a way to colonize it.Â
One was the sun will push away from the earth and mankind freezes to death. The second was the sun gets closer to earth and mankind burns to death.
This is why I think NASA should go to the sun and investigate things. If NASA does go, it should go at night when it's cooler.
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(02-14-2019, 02:35 PM)cincydawg Wrote: I have zero interest in "making" a religion.
I am interested in religion as a topic obviously. Â
The mistake people make, apparently, is that because I may argue a point that I necessarily BELIEVE that point, or if I attempt to clarify a principle I must therefore ACCEPT that principle.
I think we have enough religions. Â All but one of them, if that, is a human construct. Â We don't need more.
I concur.
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(02-14-2019, 02:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:40 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:35 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
You can blame God if you like. Salvation was always by faith even before Jesus arrived. Those in the OT were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
If I'd like? Who else would you blame for the fact that billions of people, by no fault of their own, are condemned for no other reason than where they were born?
False. They are condemned for being sinners.
Sinners in the eyes of a God that they don't even know exists, because that God chose not to let the world know he existed until other religions were long established.
And that summarizes your warped logic and dishonest narrative on this pretty well.
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(02-14-2019, 02:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:40 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:35 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: You can blame God if you like. Salvation was always by faith even before Jesus arrived. Those in the OT were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
If I'd like? Who else would you blame for the fact that billions of people, by no fault of their own, are condemned for no other reason than where they were born?
False. They are condemned for being sinners.
Sinners in the eyes of a God that they don't even know exists, because that God chose not to let the world know he existed until other religions were long established.
And that summarizes your warped logic and dishonest narrative on this pretty well.
what specifically is warped about my logic? Is there something I said that is inaccurate?
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(02-14-2019, 02:49 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:35 PM)cincydawg Wrote: I have zero interest in "making" a religion.
I am interested in religion as a topic obviously. Â
The mistake people make, apparently, is that because I may argue a point that I necessarily BELIEVE that point, or if I attempt to clarify a principle I must therefore ACCEPT that principle.
I think we have enough religions. Â All but one of them, if that, is a human construct. Â We don't need more.
I know that you enjoy having your beliefs hidden in a cloud of mystery, but perhaps putting them out there on the table would curtail any future misunderstandings?
If asked something specific, I respond. I don't plan to articulate all of my beliefs here in one fell swoop.
It's pretty easy to ask me if I believe this or that rather than posting what you think I believe based on your misunderstandings.
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(02-14-2019, 02:59 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:40 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: If I'd like? Who else would you blame for the fact that billions of people, by no fault of their own, are condemned for no other reason than where they were born?
False. They are condemned for being sinners.
Sinners in the eyes of a God that they don't even know exists, because that God chose not to let the world know he existed until other religions were long established.
And that summarizes your warped logic and dishonest narrative on this pretty well.
what specifically is warped about my logic? Is there something I said that is inaccurate?
We have addressed the evidence of God's existence already and how it is mankind's fault not God's that they don't know he exists.
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OK, it is mankind's fault that they do not know about Christianity.
Interesting.
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(02-14-2019, 03:05 PM)cincydawg Wrote: OK, it is mankind's fault that they do not know about Christianity.
Interesting.
It is mankind's fault they don't know of God's existence.
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(02-14-2019, 03:07 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 03:05 PM)cincydawg Wrote: OK, it is mankind's fault that they do not know about Christianity.
Interesting.
It is mankind's fault they don't know of God's existence.
Exactly
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God? Allah? Jehovah? The Mormon god? Zarathustra? We have many single gods in our religions.
A person born in Saudi Arabia will obviously think of Allah of the Koran and Old Testament. A person born in China may think of other beliefs. A Mayan born in 1000 AD might think of whatever the Mayan god was.
A person could be aware of Allah's existence obviously, or think they are, not not be Christian and not be Saved.
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(02-14-2019, 03:12 PM)cincydawg Wrote: God? Â Allah? Â Jehovah? Â The Mormon god? Â Zarathustra? Â We have many single gods in our religions.
A person born in Saudi Arabia will obviously think of Allah of the Koran and Old Testament. Â A person born in China may think of other beliefs. Â A Mayan born in 1000 AD might think of whatever the Mayan god was.
A person could be aware of Allah's existence obviously, or think they are, not not be Christian and not be Saved.
And the Bible tells us people are naturally drawn to religions and false gods. Its our natural state.
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Maybe people are drawn to the gods of their culture and experience. It's impossible to be drawn to a god you never had a chance to know anything about.
So, the story here is it is mankind's fault they did not know of the RIGHT god's existence, the Christian god in fact.
Too bad for you if you were born in South America in 1000 AD.
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(02-14-2019, 02:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:35 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
You can blame God if you like. Salvation was always by faith even before Jesus arrived. Those in the OT were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
If I'd like? Who else would you blame for the fact that billions of people, by no fault of their own, are condemned for no other reason than where they were born?
They aren't. Â God's nature denies that and the Bible denies that.
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(02-14-2019, 03:12 PM)cincydawg Wrote: God? Â Allah? Â Jehovah? Â The Mormon god? Â Zarathustra? Â We have many single gods in our religions.
A person born in Saudi Arabia will obviously think of Allah of the Koran and Old Testament. Â A person born in China may think of other beliefs. Â A Mayan born in 1000 AD might think of whatever the Mayan god was.
A person could be aware of Allah's existence obviously, or think they are, not not be Christian and not be Saved.
As the one that was brought up Mormon I as well was alarmed to discover that "Christians" believe that those who did not have an opportunity to learn the gospel in mortality were damned to eternal punishment. I was also alarmed to discover that they believe that marriage ends at death. Or that God is not a man, but instead some sort of invisible entity that is everywhere at all times. But that is their religion.
(02-14-2019, 03:04 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:59 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:40 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: False. They are condemned for being sinners.
Sinners in the eyes of a God that they don't even know exists, because that God chose not to let the world know he existed until other religions were long established.
And that summarizes your warped logic and dishonest narrative on this pretty well.
what specifically is warped about my logic? Is there something I said that is inaccurate?
We have addressed the evidence of God's existence already and how it is mankind's fault not God's that they don't know he exists.
No we haven't. Referencing the Bible is not a valid source for "addressing" the topic of God's existence. There's a reason that Jesus' disciples had to travel and convince people that the Christian God existed; there was nothing to convince them that he existed before that.
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