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(02-14-2019, 02:04 PM)cincydawg Wrote: I find quite a bit of science difficult to comprehend. Â Much of it is beyond our senses, ...
Yet you demand a simple explanation and perfect understanding of an infinite God just because ...
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I do not at all.
Another lie.
(02-14-2019, 01:59 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:55 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:49 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:48 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: People are naturally attracted to religions of various types. Some would say using his only Begotten as the mechanism for human salvation is the ultimate loving and graceful act. Problem is you want God to play by your rules and that is not going to happen.
It's a fact that people tend to take on the religion of their parents. Hindu kids become hindus. Christian kids become Christians. Muslim kids become Muslims. At the time Jesus was born, Hinduism already had a 1,000 year head start. Add in the fact that, because of where Jesus was born, Paul & Co. were very limited in where they were able to "spread the word" so, now, billions of people are condemned due to nothing other than where they were born.
The story of a "sacrificial son" isn't even unique to Christianity.
No. Condemnation was started at conception. You are not condemned because of lack of Christian outreach. You are condemned because you are a sinner from conception.
how are you saved from condemnation?
By faith
So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
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(02-14-2019, 02:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:59 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:55 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:49 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: It's a fact that people tend to take on the religion of their parents. Hindu kids become hindus. Christian kids become Christians. Muslim kids become Muslims. At the time Jesus was born, Hinduism already had a 1,000 year head start. Add in the fact that, because of where Jesus was born, Paul & Co. were very limited in where they were able to "spread the word" so, now, billions of people are condemned due to nothing other than where they were born.
The story of a "sacrificial son" isn't even unique to Christianity.
No. Condemnation was started at conception. You are not condemned because of lack of Christian outreach. You are condemned because you are a sinner from conception.
how are you saved from condemnation?
By faith
So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
Looks pretty grim.
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(02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:59 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:55 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:49 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: No. Condemnation was started at conception. You are not condemned because of lack of Christian outreach. You are condemned because you are a sinner from conception.
how are you saved from condemnation?
By faith
So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
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(02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:59 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:55 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: how are you saved from condemnation?
By faith
So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
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Imagine a religion that said do THIS and you have eternal blissful life, but fail to do THIS and you have eternal painful damnation. And the catch is that for folks who never ever hear a peep about THIS fall into Group 2.
Billions of humans are born and die without hearing a peep about that option.
(02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 01:59 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: By faith
So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
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(02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
God made and created the universe and first humans. How was Hinduism started before God?
(02-14-2019, 02:28 PM)unc4corners Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
God made and created the universe and first humans.Â
Something that wasn't revealed until Jesus told us.
How was Hinduism started before God?
I said Hinduism had existed for over 1,000 years before Jesus revealed Christianity/the Christian God to man.
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(02-14-2019, 12:44 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:31 PM)cincydawg Wrote: A religion that uses the excuse that it is well beyond the intellectual capabilities of mankind has no attraction for me.
It's an absurd precept. Â
I dislike lies.
What religion would that be? the christianity of his own making.
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(02-14-2019, 02:24 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (02-14-2019, 02:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: So, if you were born in Northern India, where Hinduism started over 1,500 years before Jesus was even born, how are you going to be saved?
Looks pretty grim.
And who's fault is that?
We went through that.
Who's fault is it that Christianity wasn't introduced to even a small part of the world until after Hinduism had taken off? Who determined the timing of the birth of Jesus?
You can blame God if you like. Salvation was always by faith even before Jesus arrived. Those in the OT were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
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