Browns 2019 Thread

[TcSoup]

As a Life Long Browns fan.

I harken back to the Andre " Bad Moon " Rison signing and all the optimism

Only to come burning down faster than Andre's house when One Eye'd Lefty Lopez settle her score with a match and a can of gasoline.

[BoyGenius]

Does OBJ make the Browns a Superbowl contender this season?
Does OBJ help the Browns make the Superbowl faster than what the Browns could have acquired via the draft picks and by keeping Peppers?

The answer for both is "No".

[Alabuckeye]

I've heard many answer that with a "yes"......

Of course we will have to see what is available at #17 and the end of the 3rd round(Patriots pick).

Peppers......who will start in his stead?

[TcSoup]

Is D. Randall a better safety? How many would consider Vonn Bell, Landon Collins, or Tyrann Mathieu a significant upgrade from Peppers?

Pro Football Focus Safety Rankings:
Peppers #19
Tyrann Mathieu #21
Vonn Bell #24
Randall #30
Landon Collins #39

 

Those rankings are way skewed. i read the actual way they were graded last year and in the article it points out 
of all the Safety's Poop your Pants played less snaps as Safety than anyone .
He got his props for being put in position by the defensive alignments called to make plays, not for his coverage skills or plays made out of the normal safety position. Interceptions / Pass break ups / deflections, Forced fumbles ect.
most of his plays were made at the line of scrimmage as a hybrid.

[BoyGenius]

Poopy Pants' snaps...
329 in the box
155 as slot/wide corner
281 as a deep safety
https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/3/13/18...ll-peppers

Not sure what the problem is with Pepper's stats/ranking as a SS or hybrid defender or Box Safety. Players who can play zone coverage, man coverage, can blitz, and set an edge in run support have become a valuable commodity. Giants got a very good player and depending on who they draft, the Giants could easily end up the winner of this trade.

[Soupcity Kid]

Am I right that the Browns have somehow extracted their brains from a dark orifice and are no longer laughing stocks?

One guy on the Browns 24/7 site had a perfect line.   I will paraphrase.  He said wow this is so great as a Browns fan to be finally involved in some meaningful football talk.  He added, for years as a Browns fan  he always felt like Somalia at a UN Conference.

People loved it.  One guy asked if he could use that line and the op said "somehow I think I should get a 6th round draft choice for it".

[lrrps21]

The Browns will not be going to the Super Bowl.


The Browns in the playoffs
Dave Logan leaping
Doug Dieken blocking
DeLeone a-hiking
Kardiac Kids a-winning
Darden intercepting
Newsome a-catching
both the Pruitts' moves
Alzado attacking
Brian Sipe a-passing
Don Cockroft kicking
on a Rutigliano Super Bowl Team

[Soupcity Kid]

Does OBJ make the Browns a Superbowl contender this season?
Does OBJ help the Browns make the Superbowl faster than what the Browns could have acquired via the draft picks and by keeping Peppers?

The answer for both is "No".

Why do you  say no to this so easily??  The Browns were a missed fg and 3 very horrific calls by the officials in which the league apologized, away from being 11-5 with the possibility of a first round bye.   And that was with Hugh as the coach for the first half of the season!!!!!

Again they are now only a 14 to 1 shot so I cannot convince you or anyone that the SB is guaranteed but it really would not be so far fetched.

[BigDroppa]

I thin Buckmac7 has some good points. Hard to argue they could have got a DT and a 3rd round and kept Peppers

Howeva. This teams strength is based on Mayfield and giving him a huge weapon will open up the passing game even more. Huge lift to the offense.

[BigDroppa]

What is the positions in need?

S LB OT CB ?

[BoyGenius]

I am not saying a Superbowl next year is a farfetched notion. Right now, Vegas says it's 14%.

Browns essentially give up 3 players that would have likely put them in the same position for a guy who decided the 5yr $85M contract he signed a few months ago was now unacceptable. OBJ wasn't signed for 10-win seasons and early exits from the playoffs. You sign OBJ to secure home field advantage, win multiple conference championships and win multiple Superbowls in that 5yr span. Anything less should be deemed a failure. The problem.. Browns weren't a #1WR away from being a Superbowl contender.

It's also not a farfetched notion that this trade ends in a train wreck...

[TcSoup]

I am not saying a Superbowl next year is a farfetched notion. Right now, Vegas says it's 14%.

Browns essentially give up 3 players that would have likely put them in the same position for a guy who decided the 5yr $85M contract he signed a few months ago was now unacceptable. OBJ wasn't signed for 10-win seasons and early exits from the playoffs. You sign OBJ to secure home field advantage, win multiple conference championships and win multiple Superbowls in that 5yr span. Anything less should be deemed a failure. The problem.. Browns weren't a #1WR away from being a Superbowl contender.

It's also not a farfetched notion that this trade ends in a train wreck...

Way to early to even judge the Picks . The Browns have some guys that they can move for picks if they want to.

With the Contract they have Hunt under he's a Chess piece
Duke Johnson's another Chess Piece 
and so is Calloway and Ogbah 
Even Nick Chubb's is a Chess piece with huge value.

[BoyGenius]

I am not saying a Superbowl next year is a farfetched notion. Right now, Vegas says it's 14%.

Browns essentially give up 3 players that would have likely put them in the same position for a guy who decided the 5yr $85M contract he signed a few months ago was now unacceptable. OBJ wasn't signed for 10-win seasons and early exits from the playoffs. You sign OBJ to secure home field advantage, win multiple conference championships and win multiple Superbowls in that 5yr span. Anything less should be deemed a failure. The problem.. Browns weren't a #1WR away from being a Superbowl contender.

It's also not a farfetched notion that this trade ends in a train wreck...

Way to early to even judge the Picks . The Browns have some guys that they can move for picks if they want to.

With the Contract they have Hunt under he's a Chess piece
Duke Johnson's another Chess Piece 
and so is Calloway and Ogbah 
Even Nick Chubb's is a Chess piece with huge value.

1) +1... too early to judge draft picks.
2) Duke... good player. He's worth what? 5th rd draft pick?  
3) Ogbah... he's the reason why they traded for Vernon. I think he gets released. 
4) Chubb is the better option than Hunt imo. What would either be worth?

[TcSoup]

I am not saying a Superbowl next year is a farfetched notion. Right now, Vegas says it's 14%.

Browns essentially give up 3 players that would have likely put them in the same position for a guy who decided the 5yr $85M contract he signed a few months ago was now unacceptable. OBJ wasn't signed for 10-win seasons and early exits from the playoffs. You sign OBJ to secure home field advantage, win multiple conference championships and win multiple Superbowls in that 5yr span. Anything less should be deemed a failure. The problem.. Browns weren't a #1WR away from being a Superbowl contender.

It's also not a farfetched notion that this trade ends in a train wreck...

Way to early to even judge the Picks . The Browns have some guys that they can move for picks if they want to.

With the Contract they have Hunt under he's a Chess piece
Duke Johnson's another Chess Piece 
and so is Calloway and Ogbah 
Even Nick Chubb's is a Chess piece with huge value.

1) +1... too early to judge draft picks.
2) Duke... good player. He's worth what? 5th rd draft pick?  
3) Ogbah... he's the reason why they traded for Vernon. I think he gets released. 
4) Chubb is the better option than Hunt imo. What would either be worth?

Not a 1st round pick if thats what your trying to bait me into. 
But they can easily recoup the 3rd rounder and possibly trade for a player of Poop your pants caliber.

So essentially they could have OBJ for a 1st rounder a 17th pick , which any GM in the league would do.
Without Hesitation or Reservation. 

I have watched Peppers his years at UM and 2 years with the Browns.
I implore you to put together all his Highlights from College and Pros on a video. I've got 35 seconds of my life to waste watching it. 
His 1 Interception in College ball was thrown right to him by JTB. 
And his 1 in the NFL was again thrown right to him. 
So thats 20 seconds of highlights and throw in his Denver game last year and the rest is below average or Meh.

[Soupcity Kid]

Again I think they overpaid a little but they did not sell the farm.  The other pick may be good.  We know OBJ is good.

The third round pick may be good again we know OBJ is good.

Peppers seemed to have woken up the 2nd half of the season and may help NYG out very well.  That is fine.

I think the Browns to the "whole is greater than the sum of it's parts approach"   I think they are looking at we got our guy  to spread the offense.  Don't double team OBJ and he kills you, double team him and Jarvis or Calloway is not and they can burn you.  I think they looked at the draft picks and Peppers will be and are good bit none of them will offect the whole offense or whole defense the way OBJ will with the offense.

Now again this is the Browns and OBJ could tear his achilles walking into the locker room.