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Christian Videographers Cannot Be Compelled to Work Same-Sex Wedding
(08-26-2019, 06:36 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:27 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:50 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:32 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:26 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Aaaaaaaagain, the belief COULD be used as the basis dir racial discrimination.

Not if they wish to be in harmony with their religious teachings.

That is completely irrelevant. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't record or make cake for gay weddings, yet Christians use the Bible as an excuse for discrimination. The Book of Mormon teachings that dark-skinned people are cursed by God COULD be used as an excuse to discriminate against blacks.
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That might be how it appears to an ignorant outsider such as yourself, but the Mormon in question would be in severe violation of their own religious teachings. 

The curse of Cain is that the Negro is Lucifer's representation on this Earth. The mission of the Negro race is to tempt us into partaking in their sinful ways. Now there are two ways that you can do this. One is to mingle and mix with them. Wear their clothes, listen to their music, use their slang, and what not. The other way is to fight with them. If you mock them, or humiliate them, or tease them and treat them poorly, then you have allowed yourself to be baited into stooping to their level. 

The goal is to find the balance where you treat them with kindness and respect, without getting too chummy and getting mixed up in their nonsense. The Negro cannot help the way that they were born. It would be wrong to tease them about it. The Whites who pattern their behavior after that of the Negro are much worse than the blacks. They made the choice to be an agent of Lucifer, as opposed to being born into it. 

If a Mormon refuses to do business with a Negro because they are black, then they are sinning against their God.
Lol.... are you telling me that you know how every Mormon interprets that Doctrine? Because, for the third or fourth time, if you don't, then it could be used as a reason to discriminate against blacks.

I don't know how else explain this, so if you don't get it, we will agree to disagree.

I know how every Mormon is supposed to behave according to their religion, and a Mormon that refused to do business with a Negro because they were black would not be a righteous Mormon, but would instead be an agent of the Mormon Lucifer. 

The Mainstream LDS Church no longer teaches the Cain Doctrine, fwiw. And they have edited their version of the Book of Mormon, in the name of political correctness. So if you are worried about mainstream Mormons interpreting their doctrine in this manner, then you are wasting your time. It is no longer even part of their canon.
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(08-26-2019, 06:40 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:56 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:50 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:32 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:26 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Aaaaaaaagain, the belief COULD be used as the basis dir racial discrimination.

Not if they wish to be in harmony with their religious teachings.

That is completely irrelevant. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't record or make cake for gay weddings, yet Christians use the Bible as an excuse for discrimination. The Book of Mormon teachings that dark-skinned people are cursed by God COULD be used as an excuse to discriminate against blacks.

More dishonest arguments.  Of course same sex marriage and homosexuality are in complete opposition to Christian views of morality. To say baking wedding cakes for same sex weddings is irrelevant because the Bible doesn't specifically mention it is dishonest.  The Bible doesn't specifically address lots of things but that doesn't mean those things are acceptable.


Dishonest arguments? Please tell me where in the Bible it says that you can't capture video or bake cakes for gays getting married.

I have already explained why it is a false and dishonest argument.  The Bible has principles but obviously does not address every specific situation.  If as a Christian, your conscience tells you not to participate in those type of sham weddings, then you should not.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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(08-26-2019, 06:45 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:36 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:27 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:50 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:32 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: Not if they wish to be in harmony with their religious teachings.

That is completely irrelevant. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't record or make cake for gay weddings, yet Christians use the Bible as an excuse for discrimination. The Book of Mormon teachings that dark-skinned people are cursed by God COULD be used as an excuse to discriminate against blacks.
\

That might be how it appears to an ignorant outsider such as yourself, but the Mormon in question would be in severe violation of their own religious teachings. 

The curse of Cain is that the Negro is Lucifer's representation on this Earth. The mission of the Negro race is to tempt us into partaking in their sinful ways. Now there are two ways that you can do this. One is to mingle and mix with them. Wear their clothes, listen to their music, use their slang, and what not. The other way is to fight with them. If you mock them, or humiliate them, or tease them and treat them poorly, then you have allowed yourself to be baited into stooping to their level. 

The goal is to find the balance where you treat them with kindness and respect, without getting too chummy and getting mixed up in their nonsense. The Negro cannot help the way that they were born. It would be wrong to tease them about it. The Whites who pattern their behavior after that of the Negro are much worse than the blacks. They made the choice to be an agent of Lucifer, as opposed to being born into it. 

If a Mormon refuses to do business with a Negro because they are black, then they are sinning against their God.
Lol.... are you telling me that you know how every Mormon interprets that Doctrine? Because, for the third or fourth time, if you don't, then it could be used as a reason to discriminate against blacks.

I don't know how else explain this, so if you don't get it, we will agree to disagree.

I know how every Mormon is supposed to behave according to their religion, and a Mormon that refused to do business with a Negro because they were black would not be a righteous Mormon, but would instead be an agent of the Mormon Lucifer. 

The Mainstream LDS Church no longer teaches the Cain Doctrine, fwiw. And they have edited their version of the Book of Mormon, in the name of political correctness. So if you are worried about mainstream Mormons interpreting their doctrine in this manner, then you are wasting your time. It is no longer even part of their canon.

One more try.....are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate? Please say yes so i can move in while acknowledging your blatant dishonesty.
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(08-26-2019, 06:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:40 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:56 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:50 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:32 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: Not if they wish to be in harmony with their religious teachings.

That is completely irrelevant. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't record or make cake for gay weddings, yet Christians use the Bible as an excuse for discrimination. The Book of Mormon teachings that dark-skinned people are cursed by God COULD be used as an excuse to discriminate against blacks.

More dishonest arguments.  Of course same sex marriage and homosexuality are in complete opposition to Christian views of morality. To say baking wedding cakes for same sex weddings is irrelevant because the Bible doesn't specifically mention it is dishonest.  The Bible doesn't specifically address lots of things but that doesn't mean those things are acceptable.


Dishonest arguments? Please tell me where in the Bible it says that you can't capture video or bake cakes for gays getting married.

I have already explained why it is a false and dishonest argument.  The Bible has principles but obviously does not address every specific situation.  If as a Christian, your conscience tells you not to participate in those type of sham weddings, then you should not.

Oh, so now it's conscience.  Where are the limitations on that?
Lol....you and brutus buckeye are an absolute crack up.  The mental gymnastics you two are performing are freaking hilarious!
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(08-26-2019, 06:51 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:45 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:36 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:27 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:50 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: That is completely irrelevant. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't record or make cake for gay weddings, yet Christians use the Bible as an excuse for discrimination. The Book of Mormon teachings that dark-skinned people are cursed by God COULD be used as an excuse to discriminate against blacks.
\

That might be how it appears to an ignorant outsider such as yourself, but the Mormon in question would be in severe violation of their own religious teachings. 

The curse of Cain is that the Negro is Lucifer's representation on this Earth. The mission of the Negro race is to tempt us into partaking in their sinful ways. Now there are two ways that you can do this. One is to mingle and mix with them. Wear their clothes, listen to their music, use their slang, and what not. The other way is to fight with them. If you mock them, or humiliate them, or tease them and treat them poorly, then you have allowed yourself to be baited into stooping to their level. 

The goal is to find the balance where you treat them with kindness and respect, without getting too chummy and getting mixed up in their nonsense. The Negro cannot help the way that they were born. It would be wrong to tease them about it. The Whites who pattern their behavior after that of the Negro are much worse than the blacks. They made the choice to be an agent of Lucifer, as opposed to being born into it. 

If a Mormon refuses to do business with a Negro because they are black, then they are sinning against their God.
Lol.... are you telling me that you know how every Mormon interprets that Doctrine? Because, for the third or fourth time, if you don't, then it could be used as a reason to discriminate against blacks.

I don't know how else explain this, so if you don't get it, we will agree to disagree.

I know how every Mormon is supposed to behave according to their religion, and a Mormon that refused to do business with a Negro because they were black would not be a righteous Mormon, but would instead be an agent of the Mormon Lucifer. 

The Mainstream LDS Church no longer teaches the Cain Doctrine, fwiw. And they have edited their version of the Book of Mormon, in the name of political correctness. So if you are worried about mainstream Mormons interpreting their doctrine in this manner, then you are wasting your time. It is no longer even part of their canon.

One more try.....are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate? Please say yes so i can move in while acknowledging your blatant dishonesty.


Mormons don't allow for much individual interpretation of their doctrine. If you want to join a Mormon denomination, then you have to submit to their interpretation of their doctrine. 

Someone could conceivably start up their own Mormon denomination that teaches its members not to do business with blacks. But they would be going against the teachings of their scriptures and their prophets.
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(08-26-2019, 06:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:40 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:56 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:50 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: That is completely irrelevant. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't record or make cake for gay weddings, yet Christians use the Bible as an excuse for discrimination. The Book of Mormon teachings that dark-skinned people are cursed by God COULD be used as an excuse to discriminate against blacks.

More dishonest arguments.  Of course same sex marriage and homosexuality are in complete opposition to Christian views of morality. To say baking wedding cakes for same sex weddings is irrelevant because the Bible doesn't specifically mention it is dishonest.  The Bible doesn't specifically address lots of things but that doesn't mean those things are acceptable.


Dishonest arguments? Please tell me where in the Bible it says that you can't capture video or bake cakes for gays getting married.

I have already explained why it is a false and dishonest argument.  The Bible has principles but obviously does not address every specific situation.  If as a Christian, your conscience tells you not to participate in those type of sham weddings, then you should not.

Oh, so now it's conscience.  Where are the limitations on that?
Lol....you and brutus buckeye are an absolute crack up.  The mental gymnastics you're performing are freaking hilarious!

I am still waiting on how a self described libertarian wants big gubmint to decide who must be served and who can be excluded. It is absurd.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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(08-26-2019, 06:55 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:51 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:45 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:36 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:27 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: \

That might be how it appears to an ignorant outsider such as yourself, but the Mormon in question would be in severe violation of their own religious teachings. 

The curse of Cain is that the Negro is Lucifer's representation on this Earth. The mission of the Negro race is to tempt us into partaking in their sinful ways. Now there are two ways that you can do this. One is to mingle and mix with them. Wear their clothes, listen to their music, use their slang, and what not. The other way is to fight with them. If you mock them, or humiliate them, or tease them and treat them poorly, then you have allowed yourself to be baited into stooping to their level. 

The goal is to find the balance where you treat them with kindness and respect, without getting too chummy and getting mixed up in their nonsense. The Negro cannot help the way that they were born. It would be wrong to tease them about it. The Whites who pattern their behavior after that of the Negro are much worse than the blacks. They made the choice to be an agent of Lucifer, as opposed to being born into it. 

If a Mormon refuses to do business with a Negro because they are black, then they are sinning against their God.
Lol.... are you telling me that you know how every Mormon interprets that Doctrine? Because, for the third or fourth time, if you don't, then it could be used as a reason to discriminate against blacks.

I don't know how else explain this, so if you don't get it, we will agree to disagree.

I know how every Mormon is supposed to behave according to their religion, and a Mormon that refused to do business with a Negro because they were black would not be a righteous Mormon, but would instead be an agent of the Mormon Lucifer. 

The Mainstream LDS Church no longer teaches the Cain Doctrine, fwiw. And they have edited their version of the Book of Mormon, in the name of political correctness. So if you are worried about mainstream Mormons interpreting their doctrine in this manner, then you are wasting your time. It is no longer even part of their canon.

One more try.....are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate? Please say yes so i can move in while acknowledging your blatant dishonesty.


Mormons don't allow for much individual interpretation of their doctrine. If you want to join a Mormon denomination, then you have to submit to their interpretation of their doctrine. 

Someone could conceivably start up their own Mormon denomination that teaches its members not to do business with blacks. But they would be going against the teachings of their scriptures and their prophets.

Answer the question.

"are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate?"
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(08-26-2019, 06:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:40 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 05:56 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: More dishonest arguments.  Of course same sex marriage and homosexuality are in complete opposition to Christian views of morality. To say baking wedding cakes for same sex weddings is irrelevant because the Bible doesn't specifically mention it is dishonest.  The Bible doesn't specifically address lots of things but that doesn't mean those things are acceptable.


Dishonest arguments? Please tell me where in the Bible it says that you can't capture video or bake cakes for gays getting married.

I have already explained why it is a false and dishonest argument.  The Bible has principles but obviously does not address every specific situation.  If as a Christian, your conscience tells you not to participate in those type of sham weddings, then you should not.

Oh, so now it's conscience.  Where are the limitations on that?
Lol....you and brutus buckeye are an absolute crack up.  The mental gymnastics you're performing are freaking hilarious!

I am still waiting on how a self described libertarian wants big gubmint to decide who must be served and who can be excluded. It is absurd.

A) stop changing the subject. B) I have been very clear that if the laws are going to exist, then enforce them consistently, which means no exceptions for religion. If that's not going to happen, then get rid of all of the Discrimination laws and let Society figure it out.
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(08-26-2019, 07:03 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:55 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:51 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:45 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:36 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Lol.... are you telling me that you know how every Mormon interprets that Doctrine? Because, for the third or fourth time, if you don't, then it could be used as a reason to discriminate against blacks.

I don't know how else explain this, so if you don't get it, we will agree to disagree.

I know how every Mormon is supposed to behave according to their religion, and a Mormon that refused to do business with a Negro because they were black would not be a righteous Mormon, but would instead be an agent of the Mormon Lucifer. 

The Mainstream LDS Church no longer teaches the Cain Doctrine, fwiw. And they have edited their version of the Book of Mormon, in the name of political correctness. So if you are worried about mainstream Mormons interpreting their doctrine in this manner, then you are wasting your time. It is no longer even part of their canon.

One more try.....are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate? Please say yes so i can move in while acknowledging your blatant dishonesty.


Mormons don't allow for much individual interpretation of their doctrine. If you want to join a Mormon denomination, then you have to submit to their interpretation of their doctrine. 

Someone could conceivably start up their own Mormon denomination that teaches its members not to do business with blacks. But they would be going against the teachings of their scriptures and their prophets.

Answer the question.


I did. 

If a Mainstream Mormon used a verse that was removed from their version of the Book of Mormon in the early 80s as justification to refuse to do business with the blacks, then that Mormon would be excommunicated from the LDS Church by the end of the week.
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(08-26-2019, 07:06 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 07:03 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:55 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:51 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:45 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: I know how every Mormon is supposed to behave according to their religion, and a Mormon that refused to do business with a Negro because they were black would not be a righteous Mormon, but would instead be an agent of the Mormon Lucifer. 

The Mainstream LDS Church no longer teaches the Cain Doctrine, fwiw. And they have edited their version of the Book of Mormon, in the name of political correctness. So if you are worried about mainstream Mormons interpreting their doctrine in this manner, then you are wasting your time. It is no longer even part of their canon.

One more try.....are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate? Please say yes so i can move in while acknowledging your blatant dishonesty.


Mormons don't allow for much individual interpretation of their doctrine. If you want to join a Mormon denomination, then you have to submit to their interpretation of their doctrine. 

Someone could conceivably start up their own Mormon denomination that teaches its members not to do business with blacks. But they would be going against the teachings of their scriptures and their prophets.

Answer the question.


I did. 

If a Mainstream Mormon used a verse that was removed from their version of the Book of Mormon in the early 80s as justification to refuse to do business with the blacks, then that Mormon would be excommunicated from the LDS Church by the end of the week.

LOL...ok.  how does excommunicated impact their behavior?  Are they not entitled to their beliefs either way?
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(08-26-2019, 07:03 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:55 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:51 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:45 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:36 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Lol.... are you telling me that you know how every Mormon interprets that Doctrine? Because, for the third or fourth time, if you don't, then it could be used as a reason to discriminate against blacks.

I don't know how else explain this, so if you don't get it, we will agree to disagree.

I know how every Mormon is supposed to behave according to their religion, and a Mormon that refused to do business with a Negro because they were black would not be a righteous Mormon, but would instead be an agent of the Mormon Lucifer. 

The Mainstream LDS Church no longer teaches the Cain Doctrine, fwiw. And they have edited their version of the Book of Mormon, in the name of political correctness. So if you are worried about mainstream Mormons interpreting their doctrine in this manner, then you are wasting your time. It is no longer even part of their canon.

One more try.....are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate? Please say yes so i can move in while acknowledging your blatant dishonesty.


Mormons don't allow for much individual interpretation of their doctrine. If you want to join a Mormon denomination, then you have to submit to their interpretation of their doctrine. 

Someone could conceivably start up their own Mormon denomination that teaches its members not to do business with blacks. But they would be going against the teachings of their scriptures and their prophets.

Answer the question.

"are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate?"


Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean you didn't get one. If you rebel against the teachings of the Mormon denomination that you belong to, then you will be kicked out of that Mormon denomination. That's how Mormonism works. 

Besides, the entire premise is just beyond dumb. Mormons are encouraged to take money from the wicked World. It is called "Bleeding the Beast." They will gladly sell alcohol and cigarettes to gentiles and apostates, and they don't refuse service to blacks.

I come from a Fundamentalist Mormon background that still teaches the Cain Doctrine, and I've never even heard of anyone refusing to do business with the blacks. It just doesn't happen, and they'd promptly lose their standing in the Church if it did.
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(08-26-2019, 07:53 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 07:03 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:55 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:51 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-26-2019, 06:45 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: I know how every Mormon is supposed to behave according to their religion, and a Mormon that refused to do business with a Negro because they were black would not be a righteous Mormon, but would instead be an agent of the Mormon Lucifer. 

The Mainstream LDS Church no longer teaches the Cain Doctrine, fwiw. And they have edited their version of the Book of Mormon, in the name of political correctness. So if you are worried about mainstream Mormons interpreting their doctrine in this manner, then you are wasting your time. It is no longer even part of their canon.

One more try.....are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate? Please say yes so i can move in while acknowledging your blatant dishonesty.


Mormons don't allow for much individual interpretation of their doctrine. If you want to join a Mormon denomination, then you have to submit to their interpretation of their doctrine. 

Someone could conceivably start up their own Mormon denomination that teaches its members not to do business with blacks. But they would be going against the teachings of their scriptures and their prophets.

Answer the question.

"are you going to claim that NO mormon in the US,  could use that doctrine to discriminate?"


Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean you didn't get one. If you rebel against the teachings of the Mormon denomination that you belong to, then you will be kicked out of that Mormon denomination. That's how Mormonism works. 

Besides, the entire premise is just beyond dumb. Mormons are encouraged to take money from the wicked World. It is called "Bleeding the Beast." They will gladly sell alcohol and cigarettes to gentiles and apostates, and they don't refuse service to blacks.

I come from a Fundamentalist Mormon background that still teaches the Cain Doctrine, and I've never even heard of anyone refusing to do business with the blacks. It just doesn't happen, and they'd promptly lose their standing in the Church if it did.

You replied to the wrong post.  Again, the point is that someone COULD use mormon doctrine to discriminate.  Are you saying it's not possible?
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