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(09-02-2019, 08:50 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: I was never really thrilled with civil unions, but I canâ€t stop people from entering into a contract to divie up their property when they pass, etc...  Now wording might seem trivial to some, but marriage is a biblical sacrament, so...
As far as churches go, some will perform gay weddings.  Theyâ€re wrong and hopelessly naive and stupid for doing so, but they are a “private†entity if you will, so be it.  I personally donâ€t want our society putting the stamp of approval on gay “marriage.† Now as Iâ€ve said in the past I am all for getting the govt out of the marriage business.  So if your “church†is willing to do your wedding thatâ€s their deal.  As an American I want my hands washed of this lunacy. Is a civil marriage given by a judge a religious sacrament? A judge will give the same license to Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, Baptists, Jews,etc-it isn't a sacrament, it's a legal document. To be a Christian sacrament, you need to be married under Christian auspices.
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You shouldn't need a civil union as a prerequisite for getting married in a church
(09-02-2019, 01:17 PM)lrrps21 Wrote: (09-02-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-02-2019, 07:49 AM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: If there was no difference, then why weren't they content with civil unions?
Because there is a difference. Nobody wants to be treated like a 2nd class citizen. The whole 'separate but equal' thing has already been tried and failed.
Who needs a parade? Protected class types. Who needs a month? Protected class types. Seems the protected class types are making everybody else 2nd class.Â
I don't care what a person's sexual preference is, his skin color, or anything else. I only seem to notice when that person shouts it at the top of his lungs for me to notice. Then I hope that person gets what he wishes on others not like himself.
Throughout history, many groups have held rallies, events, protests, etc as a way to garner attention.
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(09-02-2019, 08:34 AM)cincydawg Wrote: I don't think "born that way" is the same as believing there is a "gay gene".
I doubted there would be a "gay gene" that was obviously detectable in the genome. It really makes little sense there would be one.
But I realize a lot of folks are a bit hazy on genetic theory etc. Yep if you have a limited amount of knowledge regarding genetics and evolution ( like a child who flunked biology)you might equate born that way with a “gay geneâ€.
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(09-02-2019, 03:15 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (09-02-2019, 08:34 AM)cincydawg Wrote: I don't think "born that way" is the same as believing there is a "gay gene".
I doubted there would be a "gay gene" that was obviously detectable in the genome. It really makes little sense there would be one.
But I realize a lot of folks are a bit hazy on genetic theory etc. Yep if you have a limited amount of knowledge regarding genetics and evolution ( like a child who flunked biology)you might equate born that way with a “gay geneâ€.
The period goes inside the quotation mark, professor.
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(09-02-2019, 03:36 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: (09-02-2019, 03:15 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (09-02-2019, 08:34 AM)cincydawg Wrote: I don't think "born that way" is the same as believing there is a "gay gene".
I doubted there would be a "gay gene" that was obviously detectable in the genome. It really makes little sense there would be one.
But I realize a lot of folks are a bit hazy on genetic theory etc. Yep if you have a limited amount of knowledge regarding genetics and evolution ( like a child who flunked biology)you might equate born that way with a “gay geneâ€.
The period goes inside the quotation mark, professor. Not in this case, Archie.
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There is no single gene for a ton of things in human beings. Most stuff is covered by a multitude of alleles in a genome. There is no single gene for being a great QB for example.
(09-02-2019, 04:41 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (09-02-2019, 03:36 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: (09-02-2019, 03:15 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (09-02-2019, 08:34 AM)cincydawg Wrote: I don't think "born that way" is the same as believing there is a "gay gene".
I doubted there would be a "gay gene" that was obviously detectable in the genome. It really makes little sense there would be one.
But I realize a lot of folks are a bit hazy on genetic theory etc. Yep if you have a limited amount of knowledge regarding genetics and evolution ( like a child who flunked biology)you might equate born that way with a “gay geneâ€.
The period goes inside the quotation mark, professor. Not in this case, Archie.
Correct. Only if the entire sentence was a quote.
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(09-02-2019, 08:34 AM)cincydawg Wrote: I don't think "born that way" is the same as believing there is a "gay gene".
I doubted there would be a "gay gene" that was obviously detectable in the genome. It really makes little sense there would be one.
But I realize a lot of folks are a bit hazy on genetic theory etc. SO......you don't believe that this is how 'born that way' has been sold for 20 years or so? That there was a gene?
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I'd say anyone who really believed there was a "gay gene" was ill informed.
The report shows some genetic traits that somewhat correlate with homosexuality, but it's not on "one gene". I would have been shocked had there been such a thing. Like most things, it's a reflection of MANY different alleles turned this way or that, and environment. Apparently plenty of folks with the indicator alleles turned to favor "being gay" are not gay, or say they aren't.
Humans don't have single genes that express for single things in most cases. I suppose the cases where that is true are "over sold" and folks think it's true for everything, maybe.
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People may have believed such a thing but anyone who knows anything would know something so complex as sexuality wouldnâ€t have a single gene or even an easy genetic explanation. Most things are result of genetic predispositions and environment. And genetic expression is extremely complex.Â
Does someone choose to prefer blondes over red heads? Or is it a lot more complicated?
The very notion someone could or even would choose to be gay is absurd. The only person who could believe that would be a closeted gay person.
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This is rich........put forward a message in society for decades that "they can't help it, they are born that way....it's genetic, so you are full of hate if you deny them their natural born love for the same sex", to create societal acceptance of a sexual deviancy.
We don't need that anymore to inoculate the masses, so we pull out the real science and say "NO! There never was any gene. We didn't say that at all......it's much too complex to narrow down to a gene. You must have heard wrong"
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