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This piece shows California in selected areas with 100,000 or so homeless. I'd guess nationwide the problem encompasses well over 500,000.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...nkies.html
Solution? Each state construct holding areas with tents to move these groups to IF they remain on the streets.  While being held detox, set up training for jobs or assign jobs where they can, and when ready release. Go back to the streets and you'll go back to the tent city. Now, the liberals will throw a fit and decry this BUT someone has to have an answer. Is this like NAZI death camps? Nope, it's helping humanity.
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Carlisle says all they do is 'lie around, eat ice-cream, have sex, and take drugs'
These people don't want help, just a handout. Once you start down this road like California, it will be almost impossible for them to ever turn back. The more they provide the more you will see as "homeless".
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(08-29-2019, 08:32 PM)zigbee Wrote: This piece shows California in selected areas with 100,000 or so homeless. I'd guess nationwide the problem encompasses well over 500,000.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...nkies.html
Solution? Each state construct holding areas with tents to move these groups to IF they remain on the streets.  While being held detox, set up training for jobs or assign jobs where they can, and when ready release. Go back to the streets and you'll go back to the tent city. Now, the liberals will throw a fit and decry this BUT someone has to have an answer. Is this like NAZI death camps? Nope, it's helping humanity.
Will never happen. This solution makes way too much sense.  Liberal/socialist policy relies on keeping these people dependent on government handouts. Any attempt to remove them from there handouts will be attacked as inhuman and heartless.
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(08-29-2019, 10:50 PM)buckeyewalt Wrote: Carlisle says all they do is 'lie around, eat ice-cream, have sex, and take drugs'
These people don't want help, just a handout. Once you start down this road like California, it will be almost impossible for them to ever turn back. The more they provide the more you will see as "homeless".
Exactly. If you want to get rid of them do what we did to these hobos in the old days. Run them out of town. Treating them well only brings more of them.
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(08-30-2019, 07:35 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-29-2019, 10:50 PM)buckeyewalt Wrote: Carlisle says all they do is 'lie around, eat ice-cream, have sex, and take drugs'
These people don't want help, just a handout. Once you start down this road like California, it will be almost impossible for them to ever turn back. The more they provide the more you will see as "homeless".
Exactly. If you want to get rid of them do what we did to these hobos in the old days. Run them out of town. Treating them well only brings more of them.
How is this not obvious to all.
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Most I saw out here are mentally out of it, unable to function rationally at all, some have some obvious physical maladies like constant seizures or MS. They may be sick and abandoned.
There are a lot in SF for sure. One district is lined with tents and homeless folks with trash bags etc. I don't think there is an easy solution, you can't legally detain them with no hearing.
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I've heard of local programs like this before. This is PART of the solution. Does not deal with the mental illness and addictions part of it obviously
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/28/652296923...e-homeless
I heard an interview that a mayor in Florida gave that had some similar ideas.
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First treatment needs to be available for those with that need. Secondly shelter needs to be available. When you have shelter available you can then tell people no you can't pitch a tent there and relieve yourself in public. No tolerance for the breaking of any laws. Enforce them all and they're forced to shelters or into programs to get off the streets. The mentally can't be allowed to live that way. It's unconscionable. If they can't care for themselves properly they need to be brought to treatment.Â
Right now we're failing the ill. Morally we must care for them. We are enabling a criminal underclass and addicts. Morally we cannot tolerate their behavior. We are also failing the few among them who are just badly uncompetitive and can't keep up economically. Morally we should help at least with the basics like a roof and plumbing.
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(08-30-2019, 12:48 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: First treatment needs to be available for those with that need. Secondly shelter needs to be available. When you have shelter available you can then tell people no you can't pitch a tent there and relieve yourself in public. No tolerance for the breaking of any laws. Enforce them all and they're forced to shelters or into programs to get off the streets. The mentally can't be allowed to live that way. It's unconscionable. If they can't care for themselves properly they need to be brought to treatment.Â
Right now we're failing the ill. Morally we must care for them. We are enabling a criminal underclass and addicts. Morally we cannot tolerate their behavior. We are also failing the few among them who are just badly uncompetitive and can't keep up economically. Morally we should help at least with the basics like a roof and plumbing. I'm no expert on the homelessness issue, but I know I've heard that some of this goes back to laws in the 1980's that opened the doors on asylums and other mental illness centers releasing people out into the streets.
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(08-30-2019, 12:59 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (08-30-2019, 12:48 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: First treatment needs to be available for those with that need. Secondly shelter needs to be available. When you have shelter available you can then tell people no you can't pitch a tent there and relieve yourself in public. No tolerance for the breaking of any laws. Enforce them all and they're forced to shelters or into programs to get off the streets. The mentally can't be allowed to live that way. It's unconscionable. If they can't care for themselves properly they need to be brought to treatment.Â
Right now we're failing the ill. Morally we must care for them. We are enabling a criminal underclass and addicts. Morally we cannot tolerate their behavior. We are also failing the few among them who are just badly uncompetitive and can't keep up economically. Morally we should help at least with the basics like a roof and plumbing. I'm no expert on the homelessness issue, but I know I've heard that some of this goes back to laws in the 1980's that opened the doors on asylums and other mental illness centers releasing people out into the streets. Â It was a little earlier than that but having the mentally ill on the streets is part of the problem. Enabling criminals and addicts is another. If you allow it you will get more and more of it. You harm both society and the homeless when you allow or tolerate certain behaviors IMO.
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