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(08-30-2019, 06:51 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: I'm OK with the death penalty in theory. But I do not trust gummint lawyers to get things right. Too many people will be executed for crimes they didn't commit. It would be bad enough to incarcerate someone for something they didn't do but the criminal justice system needs perfection to take lives IMO. They aren't even fair to middlin at what they do much less perfect.
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(08-30-2019, 06:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: What does this case have to do with the death penalty?
Because it shows, again, that humans are human and make mistakes.
(08-30-2019, 07:31 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (08-30-2019, 07:04 PM)Beastdog Wrote: Death penalty is immoral.
I believe there are instances in the bible wherein God mandated the death penalty, in which case, it would not be immoral.
God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?
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(08-31-2019, 04:31 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-30-2019, 06:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: What does this case have to do with the death penalty?
Because it shows, again, that humans are human and make mistakes.
That is true for everything but still doesn't mean we don't make decisions that might later be proven wrong.
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(08-31-2019, 04:37 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-30-2019, 07:31 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (08-30-2019, 07:04 PM)Beastdog Wrote: Death penalty is immoral.
I believe there are instances in the bible wherein God mandated the death penalty, in which case, it would not be immoral.
God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?
Murder has a specific definition. That doesn't fall within it.
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(08-31-2019, 08:50 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 04:31 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-30-2019, 06:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: What does this case have to do with the death penalty?
Because it shows, again, that humans are human and make mistakes.
That is true for everything but still doesn't mean we don't make decisions that might later be proven wrong.
And if humans make a mistake, and a person has already been executed, you can un-execute them.
(08-31-2019, 08:52 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 04:37 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-30-2019, 07:31 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (08-30-2019, 07:04 PM)Beastdog Wrote: Death penalty is immoral.
I believe there are instances in the bible wherein God mandated the death penalty, in which case, it would not be immoral.
God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?
Murder has a specific definition. That doesn't fall within it.
By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder.
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(08-30-2019, 06:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: What does this case have to do with the death penalty? Theoretically she could have been executed for a crime she did not commit, making it the harm and injustice to her irreparable. Not that 35 years in prison for a crime you did not commit isn†t difficult to compensate for, but being wrongly executed for it has a certain finality about it.
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(08-31-2019, 08:55 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:52 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 04:37 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-30-2019, 07:31 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (08-30-2019, 07:04 PM)Beastdog Wrote: Death penalty is immoral.
I believe there are instances in the bible wherein God mandated the death penalty, in which case, it would not be immoral.
God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?
Murder has a specific definition. That doesn't fall within it.
By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder. Only because that law is no longer applicable.
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(08-31-2019, 08:56 AM)wmdky Wrote: (08-30-2019, 06:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: What does this case have to do with the death penalty? Theoretically she could have been executed for a crime she did not commit, making it the harm and injustice to her irreparable. Not that 35 years in prison for a crime you did not commit isnâ€t difficult to compensate for, but being wrongly executed for it has a certain finality about it.
Far as I know the prosecution didn't seek the death penalty in this case. Her prosecution was based on a 3 year old cold case after she claimed to have some involvement in the murder.
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(08-31-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:55 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:52 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 04:37 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-30-2019, 07:31 PM)K9Buck Wrote: I believe there are instances in the bible wherein God mandated the death penalty, in which case, it would not be immoral.
God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?
Murder has a specific definition. That doesn't fall within it.
By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder. Only because that law is no longer applicable.
I assure you that there are still people, somewhere, who believe you should be killed for being gay, working on Sunday, worshipping idols, etc. That doesn't change what i said.
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(08-31-2019, 09:01 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:55 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:52 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 04:37 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?
Murder has a specific definition. That doesn't fall within it.
By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder. Only because that law is no longer applicable.
I assure you that there are still people, somewhere, who believe you should be killed for being gay, working on Sunday, worshipping idols, etc. That doesn't change what i said.
Sure it does.
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(08-31-2019, 09:02 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:01 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:55 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:52 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Murder has a specific definition. That doesn't fall within it.
By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder. Only because that law is no longer applicable.
I assure you that there are still people, somewhere, who believe you should be killed for being gay, working on Sunday, worshipping idols, etc. That doesn't change what i said.
Sure it does.
It doesn't because our country doesn't operate under archaic sky wizard rules. Our morals and laws have progressed.
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(08-31-2019, 09:05 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:02 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:01 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:55 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder. Only because that law is no longer applicable.
I assure you that there are still people, somewhere, who believe you should be killed for being gay, working on Sunday, worshipping idols, etc. That doesn't change what i said.
Sure it does.
It doesn't because our country doesn't operate under archaic sky wizard rules. Our morals and laws have progressed. Bait and switch. No one is saying those mandates are still applicable today. Not sure how much we have "progressed" when I see murderers being excused because they are illegal Mexicans.
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(08-31-2019, 09:10 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:05 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:02 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:01 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Only because that law is no longer applicable.
I assure you that there are still people, somewhere, who believe you should be killed for being gay, working on Sunday, worshipping idols, etc. That doesn't change what i said.
Sure it does.
It doesn't because our country doesn't operate under archaic sky wizard rules. Our morals and laws have progressed. Bait and switch. No one is saying those mandates are still applicable today. Not sure how much we have "progressed" when I see murderers being excused because they are illegal Mexicans.
The main point: you can't undo an execution if there is a mistake in the conviction, therefore we shouldn't allow the government to execute citizens.
Secondary point, because K9buck brought it up: the bible saying something is ok in no way makes it automatically ok. We have morals and laws that (luckily) have progressed beyond archaic Biblical thinking.
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