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(08-31-2019, 09:50 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:30 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:22 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: The main point: you can't undo an execution if there is a mistake in the conviction, therefore we shouldn't allow the government to execute citizens.
Secondary point, because K9buck brought it up: the bible saying something is ok in no way makes it automatically ok. We have morals and laws that (luckily) have progressed beyond archaic Biblical thinking. The death penalty is created through the legislative process. Elected officials decide to codify it or not. Most people probably support it in certain cases. And once again, OT Israel death penalty edicts do not constitute murder no matter how many times you recite it.
You realize that explaining how death penalty gets put into place changes nothing about what i said, right?
And, as I said, OT laws most definitely ARE murder by today's moral and legal standards.
Your comments imply the "government" is executing people with no accountability as if they just magically created the death penalty. And for 50th time, the OT laws of Israel and related punishments were not murder just because they aren't applicable today.
I never used the word accountability although, now that you mention it, there is no accountability if they were found to have made a mistake.
And, for the 50th time, OT laws, if carried out by some yahoo today, would be murder because we've progressed past a time when 'men' executed their kids to change weather patterns.
But you claimed they were murder at the time. That is incorrect.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."
(08-31-2019, 09:59 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:50 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:30 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: The death penalty is created through the legislative process. Elected officials decide to codify it or not. Most people probably support it in certain cases. And once again, OT Israel death penalty edicts do not constitute murder no matter how many times you recite it.
You realize that explaining how death penalty gets put into place changes nothing about what i said, right?
And, as I said, OT laws most definitely ARE murder by today's moral and legal standards.
Your comments imply the "government" is executing people with no accountability as if they just magically created the death penalty. And for 50th time, the OT laws of Israel and related punishments were not murder just because they aren't applicable today.
I never used the word accountability although, now that you mention it, there is no accountability if they were found to have made a mistake.
And, for the 50th time, OT laws, if carried out by some yahoo today, would be murder because we've progressed past a time when 'men' executed their kids to change weather patterns.
But you claimed they were murder at the time. That is incorrect.
Buuuuuullshit. The very first mention of it said "by today's legal/moral standards".
Are you done making ***** up?
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(08-31-2019, 10:06 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:59 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:50 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: You realize that explaining how death penalty gets put into place changes nothing about what i said, right?
And, as I said, OT laws most definitely ARE murder by today's moral and legal standards.
Your comments imply the "government" is executing people with no accountability as if they just magically created the death penalty. And for 50th time, the OT laws of Israel and related punishments were not murder just because they aren't applicable today.
I never used the word accountability although, now that you mention it, there is no accountability if they were found to have made a mistake.
And, for the 50th time, OT laws, if carried out by some yahoo today, would be murder because we've progressed past a time when 'men' executed their kids to change weather patterns.
But you claimed they were murder at the time. That is incorrect.
Buuuuuullshit. The very first mention of it said "by today's legal/moral standards".
Are you done making ***** up?
Your words below in post #18. Are you stoned already??
"God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?"
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."
(08-31-2019, 10:12 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:06 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:59 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:50 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Your comments imply the "government" is executing people with no accountability as if they just magically created the death penalty. And for 50th time, the OT laws of Israel and related punishments were not murder just because they aren't applicable today.
I never used the word accountability although, now that you mention it, there is no accountability if they were found to have made a mistake.
And, for the 50th time, OT laws, if carried out by some yahoo today, would be murder because we've progressed past a time when 'men' executed their kids to change weather patterns.
But you claimed they were murder at the time. That is incorrect.
Buuuuuullshit. The very first mention of it said "by today's legal/moral standards".
Are you done making ***** up?
Your words below in post #18. Are you stoned already??
"God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?"
And two post later I clarified:
" By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder."
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wmdky Wrote:Hightop77 Wrote:What does this case have to do with the death penalty? Theoretically she could have been executed for a crime she did not commit, making it the harm and injustice to her irreparable. Not that 35 years in prison for a crime you did not commit isnâ€t difficult to compensate for, but being wrongly executed for it has a certain finality about it. Welcome to the site, young sir.
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(08-31-2019, 10:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:12 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:06 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:59 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:50 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: I never used the word accountability although, now that you mention it, there is no accountability if they were found to have made a mistake.
And, for the 50th time, OT laws, if carried out by some yahoo today, would be murder because we've progressed past a time when 'men' executed their kids to change weather patterns.
But you claimed they were murder at the time. That is incorrect.
Buuuuuullshit. The very first mention of it said "by today's legal/moral standards".
Are you done making ***** up?
Your words below in post #18. Are you stoned already??
"God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?"
And two post later I clarified:
"By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder."
Clarified? No, you contradicted yourself.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."
(08-31-2019, 12:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:12 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:06 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 09:59 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: But you claimed they were murder at the time. That is incorrect.
Buuuuuullshit. The very first mention of it said "by today's legal/moral standards".
Are you done making ***** up?
Your words below in post #18. Are you stoned already??
"God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?"
And two post later I clarified:
"By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder."
Clarified? No, you contradicted yourself.
There was no contradiction. My reply was to K9's post where he tried to rationalize the government executing people as being ok by referencing God as some kind of moral compass. My response to him was to point out that we can't use God's moral standards today, because god supported what is recognized as murder today.
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(08-31-2019, 12:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:12 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:06 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: Buuuuuullshit. The very first mention of it said "by today's legal/moral standards".
Are you done making ***** up?
Your words below in post #18. Are you stoned already??
"God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?"
And two post later I clarified:
"By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder."
Clarified? No, you contradicted yourself.
There was no contradiction. My reply was to K9's post where he tried to rationalize the government executing people as being ok by referencing God as some kind of moral compass. My response to him was to point out that we can't use God's moral standards today, because god supported what is recognized as murder today. All you are doing is dishonestly torturing the English language because of your disdain for anything biblical. Your original statement was just flat out incorrect.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."
(08-31-2019, 12:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:12 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Your words below in post #18. Are you stoned already??
"God mandated murdering people for working on Sunday. Does that seem moral?"
And two post later I clarified:
"By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder."
Clarified? No, you contradicted yourself.
There was no contradiction. My reply was to K9's post where he tried to rationalize the government executing people as being ok by referencing God as some kind of moral compass. My response to him was to point out that we can't use God's moral standards today, because god supported what is recognized as murder today. All you are doing is dishonestly torturing the English language because of your disdain for anything biblical. Your original statement was just flat out incorrect.
By today's moral and legal standards, killing someone for being gay, working on Sunday, etc is would be viewed as murder.
mur·der
/ˈmÉrdÉr/
noun
- the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
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(08-31-2019, 01:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 10:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: And two post later I clarified:
"By today's moral/legal standards, it's murder."
Clarified? No, you contradicted yourself.
There was no contradiction. My reply was to K9's post where he tried to rationalize the government executing people as being ok by referencing God as some kind of moral compass. My response to him was to point out that we can't use God's moral standards today, because god supported what is recognized as murder today. All you are doing is dishonestly torturing the English language because of your disdain for anything biblical. Your original statement was just flat out incorrect.
By today's moral and legal standards, killing someone for being gay, working on Sunday, etc is would be viewed as murder.
mur·der
/ˈmÉrdÉr/
noun
- the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Today's standards have nothing to do with your comment. Your dishonestly has no limits.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."
(08-31-2019, 01:16 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 01:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Clarified? No, you contradicted yourself.
There was no contradiction. My reply was to K9's post where he tried to rationalize the government executing people as being ok by referencing God as some kind of moral compass. My response to him was to point out that we can't use God's moral standards today, because god supported what is recognized as murder today. All you are doing is dishonestly torturing the English language because of your disdain for anything biblical. Your original statement was just flat out incorrect.
By today's moral and legal standards, killing someone for being gay, working on Sunday, etc is would be viewed as murder.
mur·der
/ˈmÉrdÉr/
noun
- the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Today's standards have nothing to do with your comment. Your dishonestly has no limits.
My response was to K9 post. He was supporting the death penalty by referencing the fact that God allowed the death penalty. The point of my post was to say that we cannot trust God's judgment when making decisions today. What (cough) God advocated in Old Testament times is clearly viewed as absolutely immoral today. it's also viewed as absolutely illegal today.
The entire exchange is right there for anyone to read. I'm very much confused by your confusion.
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(08-31-2019, 01:55 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 01:16 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 01:08 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-31-2019, 12:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: There was no contradiction. My reply was to K9's post where he tried to rationalize the government executing people as being ok by referencing God as some kind of moral compass. My response to him was to point out that we can't use God's moral standards today, because god supported what is recognized as murder today. All you are doing is dishonestly torturing the English language because of your disdain for anything biblical. Your original statement was just flat out incorrect.
By today's moral and legal standards, killing someone for being gay, working on Sunday, etc is would be viewed as murder.
mur·der
/ˈmÉrdÉr/
noun
- the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Today's standards have nothing to do with your comment. Your dishonestly has no limits.
My response was to K9 post. He was supporting the death penalty by referencing the fact that God allowed the death penalty. The point of my post was to say that we cannot trust God's judgment when making decisions today. What (cough) God advocated in Old Testament times is clearly viewed as absolutely immoral today. it's also viewed as absolutely illegal today.
The entire exchange is right there for anyone to read. I'm very much confused by your confusion.
More dishonest spin. Your statement clearly said the death sentences in the OT judicial law constitute murder. There is simply no other way to read it.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."
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