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(09-05-2019, 09:14 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: I'd compare it more to leaving the foxhole because someone has Ebola...... you are going to die either way.
Yes the country will die either way but staying with the GOP can prolong the life for awhile and buy some time. Once the Left takes over now, which will happen quickly if people bail out of the GOP, things are going to go on a down hill slide very quickly never to return.
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(09-05-2019, 08:54 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-05-2019, 07:08 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-04-2019, 04:51 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: So you are not bothered by the lefts unwillingness to keep church and state separate?
I'm bothered by a lot of what both parties do and don't do, which is why i rarely vote for either party. The Left not separating church and state has never been a concern.
Give me an example of the right having the state enforcing religious doctrine. And don't give me GM either. No civilization in the history of mankind has endorsed that lunacy. At least not on a general scale. Â
I recall things like the "Moral Majority" back in the 80s, but how was the govt pushing their agenda? What examples of force were there? For gosh sakes, abortion is still legal. I just...  I just don't get this pop culture meme about the right on this. What examples can the left hold up of the right using force/intimidation to make the populace bow to religious doctrine?
Just because the right hasn't been successful (gay rights, abortion, marijuana) doesn't mean they aren't trying. The right also consistently tries to sneak religion into schools, sneak Christianity into public buildings and public functions where they don't belong.
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(09-05-2019, 09:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-05-2019, 08:54 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-05-2019, 07:08 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-04-2019, 04:51 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: So you are not bothered by the lefts unwillingness to keep church and state separate?
I'm bothered by a lot of what both parties do and don't do, which is why i rarely vote for either party. The Left not separating church and state has never been a concern.
Give me an example of the right having the state enforcing religious doctrine. And don't give me GM either. No civilization in the history of mankind has endorsed that lunacy. At least not on a general scale. Â
I recall things like the "Moral Majority" back in the 80s, but how was the govt pushing their agenda? What examples of force were there? For gosh sakes, abortion is still legal. I just...  I just don't get this pop culture meme about the right on this. What examples can the left hold up of the right using force/intimidation to make the populace bow to religious doctrine?
Just because the right hasn't been successful (gay rights, abortion, marijuana) doesn't mean they aren't trying. The right also consistently tries to sneak religion into schools, sneak Christianity into public buildings and public functions where they don't belong.
This is hilarious. There was Christianity in all those public venues for 200 years. Suddenly it's 'against the constitution'.......
And marijuana? Really? That fight is being led by "christianity'?
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(09-05-2019, 09:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-05-2019, 08:54 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-05-2019, 07:08 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-04-2019, 04:51 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: So you are not bothered by the lefts unwillingness to keep church and state separate?
I'm bothered by a lot of what both parties do and don't do, which is why i rarely vote for either party. The Left not separating church and state has never been a concern.
Give me an example of the right having the state enforcing religious doctrine. And don't give me GM either. No civilization in the history of mankind has endorsed that lunacy. At least not on a general scale. Â
I recall things like the "Moral Majority" back in the 80s, but how was the govt pushing their agenda? What examples of force were there? For gosh sakes, abortion is still legal. I just...  I just don't get this pop culture meme about the right on this. What examples can the left hold up of the right using force/intimidation to make the populace bow to religious doctrine?
Just because the right hasn't been successful (gay rights, abortion, marijuana) doesn't mean they aren't trying. The right also consistently tries to sneak religion into schools, sneak Christianity into public buildings and public functions where they don't belong.
Your biggest problem is you base your theories on "rights", not on the Constitution and the specific wording, which you completely reject, but on your ideas about social justice.
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(09-05-2019, 09:37 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (09-05-2019, 09:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-05-2019, 08:54 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-05-2019, 07:08 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-04-2019, 04:51 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: So you are not bothered by the lefts unwillingness to keep church and state separate?
I'm bothered by a lot of what both parties do and don't do, which is why i rarely vote for either party. The Left not separating church and state has never been a concern.
Give me an example of the right having the state enforcing religious doctrine. And don't give me GM either. No civilization in the history of mankind has endorsed that lunacy. At least not on a general scale. Â
I recall things like the "Moral Majority" back in the 80s, but how was the govt pushing their agenda? What examples of force were there? For gosh sakes, abortion is still legal. I just...  I just don't get this pop culture meme about the right on this. What examples can the left hold up of the right using force/intimidation to make the populace bow to religious doctrine?
Just because the right hasn't been successful (gay rights, abortion, marijuana) doesn't mean they aren't trying. The right also consistently tries to sneak religion into schools, sneak Christianity into public buildings and public functions where they don't belong.
This is hilarious. There was Christianity in all those public venues for 200 years. Suddenly it's 'against the constitution'.......
And marijuana? Really? That fight is being led by "christianity'?
Yep. Just like it took longer than it should have to free the slaves, grant women voting rights, grant gays rights, humans are flawed; even those in our government and courts. Doing the right thing can take time.
(09-05-2019, 09:09 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Leaving the Republican Party is like leaving the safety of a foxhole during a firefight just because someone has body odor. All you are doing is committing suicide and giving the real enemy, the Democrats, an advantage.
Leaving the Republican party for the Democrat party, is like leaving the Muslim Brotherhood for Al-Qaeda.
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(09-05-2019, 09:54 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-05-2019, 09:37 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (09-05-2019, 09:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-05-2019, 08:54 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-05-2019, 07:08 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: I'm bothered by a lot of what both parties do and don't do, which is why i rarely vote for either party. The Left not separating church and state has never been a concern.
Give me an example of the right having the state enforcing religious doctrine. And don't give me GM either. No civilization in the history of mankind has endorsed that lunacy. At least not on a general scale. Â
I recall things like the "Moral Majority" back in the 80s, but how was the govt pushing their agenda? What examples of force were there? For gosh sakes, abortion is still legal. I just...  I just don't get this pop culture meme about the right on this. What examples can the left hold up of the right using force/intimidation to make the populace bow to religious doctrine?
Just because the right hasn't been successful (gay rights, abortion, marijuana) doesn't mean they aren't trying. The right also consistently tries to sneak religion into schools, sneak Christianity into public buildings and public functions where they don't belong.
This is hilarious. There was Christianity in all those public venues for 200 years. Suddenly it's 'against the constitution'.......
And marijuana? Really? That fight is being led by "christianity'?
Yep. Just like it took longer than it should have to free the slaves, grant women voting rights, grant gays rights, humans are flawed; even those in our government and courts. Doing the right thing can take time.
Slavery officially ended by presidential proclamation, not a court inventing it as with abortion, same sex marriage, and other nonsense. Women voting rights came through constitutional amendment which is the right way to change the Constitution. What you want to do with Christianity is arbitrarily eliminate it from the Bill of Rights as written which of course the Supreme Court has already done.  The Supreme Court is the new way to steal our rights or create new phony ones but you fine with it as long as they do it with rights you oppose.
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(09-05-2019, 09:59 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-05-2019, 09:09 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Leaving the Republican Party is like leaving the safety of a foxhole during a firefight just because someone has body odor. All you are doing is committing suicide and giving the real enemy, the Democrats, an advantage.
Leaving the Republican party for the Democrat party, is like leaving the Muslim Brotherhood for Al-Qaeda.
If anyone still doesn't see the difference between the two parties at this point, they should not be allowed to vote.
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(09-05-2019, 10:03 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-05-2019, 09:54 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-05-2019, 09:37 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (09-05-2019, 09:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-05-2019, 08:54 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Give me an example of the right having the state enforcing religious doctrine. And don't give me GM either. No civilization in the history of mankind has endorsed that lunacy. At least not on a general scale. Â
I recall things like the "Moral Majority" back in the 80s, but how was the govt pushing their agenda? What examples of force were there? For gosh sakes, abortion is still legal. I just...  I just don't get this pop culture meme about the right on this. What examples can the left hold up of the right using force/intimidation to make the populace bow to religious doctrine?
Just because the right hasn't been successful (gay rights, abortion, marijuana) doesn't mean they aren't trying. The right also consistently tries to sneak religion into schools, sneak Christianity into public buildings and public functions where they don't belong.
This is hilarious. There was Christianity in all those public venues for 200 years. Suddenly it's 'against the constitution'.......
And marijuana? Really? That fight is being led by "christianity'?
Yep. Just like it took longer than it should have to free the slaves, grant women voting rights, grant gays rights, humans are flawed; even those in our government and courts. Doing the right thing can take time.
Slavery officially ended by presidential proclamation, not a court inventing it as with abortion, same sex marriage, and other nonsense.Â
Hence this: "even those in our government and courts."
Women voting rights came through constitutional amendment which is the right way to change the Constitution.
Ok. And what does that have to do with my comment about it sometimes taking longer than it should to do the right thing?
What you want to do with Christianity is arbitrarily eliminate it from the Bill of Rights as written which of course the Supreme Court has already done. Â
What I want to do is keep religion out of government, legislation and schools. If it was Islam being pushed in all the same places as Christianity, you'd get it.
The Supreme Court is the new way to steal our rights or create new phony ones but you fine with it as long as they do it with rights you oppose.
Please tell me how YOU, or anyone you know, would like to exercise your religious rights that you are currently unable to due to the courts.
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without Christianity, you would have slavery existing as an accepted practice well beyond the early 1800's. Christians in England(William Wilberforce among others) pushed their Christian values and influence on PM Pitts and others and over 25 or so years got it outlawed in the Empire.
(09-05-2019, 10:14 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: without Christianity, you would have slavery existing as an accepted practice well beyond the early 1800's. Christians in England(William Wilberforce among others) pushed their Christian values and influence on PM Pitts and others and over 25 or so years got it outlawed in the Empire.
You realize that 85-90% of the country was Christian during slave times, so 85-90% of slave owners were Christian.
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(09-05-2019, 10:23 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-05-2019, 10:14 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: without Christianity, you would have slavery existing as an accepted practice well beyond the early 1800's. Christians in England(William Wilberforce among others) pushed their Christian values and influence on PM Pitts and others and over 25 or so years got it outlawed in the Empire.
You realize that 85-90% of the country was Christian during slave times, so 85-90% of slave owners were Christian. Of course I realize that. Churches split over the slavery issue......including mine.  In any age there will be people who claim the name of Christ but do not live a life that reflects that......which is why Christ said "by their fruits you will know them".
 That doesn't negate a single thing I said.
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