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A new solution for America’s empty churches:
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A change of faith

In immigrant neighborhoods, many old churches are becoming mosques and Buddhist temples.

Ashima Krishna
August 31, 2019 12:29PM (UTC)

This article was originally published on The Conversation.

Over the past few decades, vacant and underutilized churches have become a familiar sight in American cities.
In some cases, a congregation or a religious governing body — say, a Catholic diocese — will sell the church to developers, who then turn them into apartments, offices, art galleries, museums, breweries or performance spaces.


But what about churches in neighborhoods that arenâ€t doing well, areas that are less attractive to developers looking to turn a profit?

In Buffalo, New York, two empty Roman Catholic churches were recently converted — not into apartments or offices, but into other places of worship. One became an Islamic mosque, the other a Buddhist temple.

As an architect and historic preservation planner, I was drawn to this phenomenon. With the help of Enjoli Hall, who was then a graduate student at University at Buffalo, I interviewed those involved in converting the former churches.


With immigrant and refugee populations growing in post-industrial cities across the U.S., the conversion of vacant Christian churches into new places of worship can preserve historic architecture and strengthen burgeoning communities.
In Buffalo, a split between east and west

Buffalo has long been an immigrant gateway. From 1850 to 1900, the cityâ€s population increased by over 700%. In 1892, over one-third of Buffaloâ€s residents were foreign born. Poles, Germans and Italians settled in the city, leading to a wave of church construction. In the 1930s, African Americans started migrating from southern US to the east side of the city.


But by 2010, the cityâ€s population had dwindled to just over 260,000 people — less than half of what it was in 1950.
Nonetheless, Buffalo has recently been in the news for its efforts to overcome decades of population decline and disinvestment. In 2016, Yahoo News anchor Katie Couric, fascinated by Buffaloâ€s transformation, featured the city in her six-video series, “Cities Rising: Rebuilding America,” while The New York Times detailed the changes taking place in some of the cityâ€s neighborhoods.

This public attention, however, has mainly focused on the West Side neighborhoods, which have experienced the bulk of investment and population growth. Neighborhoods in Buffaloâ€s East Side continue to face tremendous challenges of poverty, crumbling infrastructure and abandoned houses.

According to the 2015 American Community Survey, these neighborhoods are now predominantly African American. But theyâ€ve also become home to immigrants from South Asia, along with resettled refugees from Vietnam, Central Africa and Iraq.


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https://www.salon.com/2019/08/31/a-new-s...h_partner/
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I could be wrong, but I believe their population is smaller than Toledo's, and Buffalo has an NFL franchise?   Confused  In fact I think Toledo's population isn't much less than Cincy's, but with a much smaller metro area of course.  Toledo has been around 300K plus since I can remember.  

Not trying to hijack, those numbers just jumped out at me.  


As for the topic at hand, the Catholic church can/should look in the mirror.
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#3
If it's any consolation, all of this God stuff will eventually be marginalized like a belief in astrology or that Elvis is still alive.
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(09-04-2019, 08:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: If it's any consolation, all of this God stuff will eventually be marginalized like a belief in astrology or that Elvis is still alive.

Yep, and then if you live long enough, you will get to find out what's it's like living in a godless culture just like the ones in North Korea, Cuba, and the Soviet state.
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(09-04-2019, 08:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: If it's any consolation, all of this God stuff will eventually be marginalized like a belief in astrology or that Elvis is still alive.

You can tell that to Jesus when you meet him.   Big Grin
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I talked to a Dude who wears his collar backwards while in Rome. It was in the late 1980's. He told me the Catholic Church would shift to Museums. No congregations, no traditional attendance, etc. His time frame was 2050. He's going to be correct.
The America, and the American Military, that you once knew is gone.
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(09-04-2019, 08:59 AM)K9Buck Wrote:
(09-04-2019, 08:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: If it's any consolation, all of this God stuff will eventually be marginalized like a belief in astrology or that Elvis is still alive.

You can tell that to Jesus when you meet him.   Big Grin

I would love for that to be the case. I would love to have reason to believe that I will exist for all eternity in some kind of Heaven. However, like all other crazy assertions, the burden of proof is on Christians / God to convince me.
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your arrogance would be amusing if it weren't so damning.
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(09-04-2019, 09:36 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: your arrogance would be amusing if it weren't so damning.

If I told you that I thought Zeus existed, created man and and all known things, one of your first thoughts would probably  be 'prove it', right?  If someone is going to make outrageous claims, they should expect to be questioned and required to provide support for their assertion.
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(09-04-2019, 09:48 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-04-2019, 09:36 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: your arrogance would be amusing if it weren't so damning.

If I told you that I thought Zeus existed, created man and and all known things, one of your first thoughts would probably  be 'prove it', right?  If someone is going to make outrageous claims, they should expect to be questioned and required to provide support for their assertion.

No one has a problem with what you believe.  The problem I have is when atheists and groups like Muslims get to enjoy all of the great advantages of living a Western Christian society in America and then lobby to change it to a Leftist or Muslim crap hole culture and society.  Unfortunately that has been where we have been going for at least 50 years now and it won't turn out well.
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(09-04-2019, 09:48 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-04-2019, 09:36 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: your arrogance would be amusing if it weren't so damning.

If I told you that I thought Zeus existed, created man and and all known things, one of your first thoughts would probably  be 'prove it', right?  If someone is going to make outrageous claims, they should expect to be questioned and required to provide support for their assertion.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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#12
The US isn't what it is because of Christianity. More like despite Christianity. The Founding Fathers created a system that was heavily influenced by Greek and Roman philosophy and politics. The only thing communists got right was atheism but that was a part of totalitarianism to reduce any competition for the state which is everything in such a system. Godlessness isn't what makes such a system horrific. Fascism came about in Catholic and Lutheran societies. Christianity didn't help reduce the body count.
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(09-04-2019, 09:48 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-04-2019, 09:36 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: your arrogance would be amusing if it weren't so damning.

If I told you that I thought Zeus existed, created man and and all known things, one of your first thoughts would probably  be 'prove it', right?  If someone is going to make outrageous claims, they should expect to be questioned and required to provide support for their assertion.

I'd roll my eyes and say "well that dude's weird" and then that would be the end of it. I

would not be inclined to try to waste any of my time arguing about it
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Buddhism would likely be an improvement on Christianity so no problem there. Certainly an improvement on the malignant cult of the Roman Catholic church. Islam, of course, would be a big downgrade. The best use for the places would be as music venues IMO. Then you'd get some tax money out of them which you don't from the parasitic cults.
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(09-04-2019, 10:15 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The US isn't what it is because of Christianity. More like despite Christianity. The Founding Fathers created a system that was heavily influenced by Greek and Roman philosophy and politics. The only thing communists got right was atheism but that was a part of totalitarianism to reduce any competition for the state which is everything in such a system. Godlessness isn't what makes such a system horrific. Fascism came about in Catholic and Lutheran societies. Christianity didn't help reduce the body count.
Feel free to name the godless societies that have been icons of civilization.

As far as Fascism coming about in Catholic(Italy) and Lutheran(Germany) societies.......that is absolutely correct.  Germans chafed at the restrictions placed on them after WW1, and sold their soul, literally, to the leader who promised to restore to them economic and military might.  It's a very instructive example of how Christians can not lean on leaders to provide for them.  There was a resistance movement in Germany, which interestingly enough was closely tied to the Confessing Church......the part of the church that separated from the German Lutheran church because of its capitulation to Hitler and Hitler's installation of a leader to the Lutheran church.
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