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How successful will your kids be?
#61
(09-09-2019, 06:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 05:38 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 03:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:27 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:05 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: And as we both know, nearly every city has a large black population that is dependent on government, involved in criminal activity, with a very low level of education and literacy, completely dysfunctional and unable to operate independently in a free society.


None of that is directly correlated to intelligence.  There are plenty of intelligent people who are criminals.
Actually it does since average black IQ is lower.  That is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools 50 years ago didn't really do what it was expected to do.

And what does any of that have to do with the impact of parenting on their kids chances of success? Do you think that white people can't be successful because oir IQs aren't as high as many asian countries? Again, there are plenty of intelligent, poor people that are being hindered by their environment.  I know you love to believe that all black people are 75 IQ, ghetto thugs, but you are clearly wrong.

You are trying too hard.  There was a time in America when there were a good number of white people with above average IQ's who never attended college.  Some never even finished high school.  Many were blue collar workers and the like but they made sure their kids went to college and they became quite successful.  Now everyone goes to college including people with below average IQ's.  A college education can be a joke and is no reflection of someone's IQ.  One of the ways we have dumbed down education is by the belief that if we brought blacks into the system by government edict, they would rise to the level of whites.  It obviously will never happen.  How do you not see the effect of bad black "parenting" when a race of people with lower average IQ's have 80% of their kids out of wedlock and no discernible family structure?  That is why we have the miserable ghettos that are getting worse and worse.  That is a function in large part of IQ and related lack of future orientation.  And average black IQ is getting lower all the time because the government pays the dumbest of the lot to reproduce while higher end independent blacks, just like whites, are having fewer children.  There are reasons why Haiti is not Switzerland and why Somalia is not Norway and you could not alter environments enough to materially change that.  Race is the most important factor and an America that is closer to 50% white than 90% white means the Idiocracy is on the way.

Bottom line is this.  No two people have the exact same background, same parents and same opportunities.  That is life and no government program can change it and in fact the government has created more stupidity by getting involved and destroying the schools.  Some people are more "hindered" than others.  That doesn't mean an intelligent person with ambition cannot rise above their disadvantages.  Most of the wealthiest people in the world did not inherit their wealth, had no special advantages due to their parents, and became super wealthy through their own drive and ambition.  Sociologists hate individualism.  They instead love to create victims and victim groups, like blacks, and this study is just another opportunity for that.

The study involved white and black. I've already stated that multiple times. The trend was that poor, not black, parents had a certain style of parenting that, when Revisited 10 years later appeared to have negatively impacted their kids. However, your obsession with believing that all blacks are dumb, and that is why there are poor, is duly noted.
#62
(09-09-2019, 06:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 05:38 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 03:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:27 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: None of that is directly correlated to intelligence.  There are plenty of intelligent people who are criminals.
Actually it does since average black IQ is lower.  That is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools 50 years ago didn't really do what it was expected to do.

And what does any of that have to do with the impact of parenting on their kids chances of success? Do you think that white people can't be successful because oir IQs aren't as high as many asian countries? Again, there are plenty of intelligent, poor people that are being hindered by their environment.  I know you love to believe that all black people are 75 IQ, ghetto thugs, but you are clearly wrong.

You are trying too hard.  There was a time in America when there were a good number of white people with above average IQ's who never attended college.  Some never even finished high school.  Many were blue collar workers and the like but they made sure their kids went to college and they became quite successful.  Now everyone goes to college including people with below average IQ's.  A college education can be a joke and is no reflection of someone's IQ.  One of the ways we have dumbed down education is by the belief that if we brought blacks into the system by government edict, they would rise to the level of whites.  It obviously will never happen.  How do you not see the effect of bad black "parenting" when a race of people with lower average IQ's have 80% of their kids out of wedlock and no discernible family structure?  That is why we have the miserable ghettos that are getting worse and worse.  That is a function in large part of IQ and related lack of future orientation.  And average black IQ is getting lower all the time because the government pays the dumbest of the lot to reproduce while higher end independent blacks, just like whites, are having fewer children.  There are reasons why Haiti is not Switzerland and why Somalia is not Norway and you could not alter environments enough to materially change that.  Race is the most important factor and an America that is closer to 50% white than 90% white means the Idiocracy is on the way.

Bottom line is this.  No two people have the exact same background, same parents and same opportunities.  That is life and no government program can change it and in fact the government has created more stupidity by getting involved and destroying the schools.  Some people are more "hindered" than others.  That doesn't mean an intelligent person with ambition cannot rise above their disadvantages.  Most of the wealthiest people in the world did not inherit their wealth, had no special advantages due to their parents, and became super wealthy through their own drive and ambition.  Sociologists hate individualism.  They instead love to create victims and victim groups, like blacks, and this study is just another opportunity for that.

The study involved white and black. I've already stated that multiple times. The trend was that poor, not black, parents had a certain style of parenting that, when Revisited 10 years later appeared to have negatively impacted their kids. However, your obsession with believing that all blacks are dumb, and that is why there are poor, is duly noted.
I specifically noted above "higher end blacks" that don't fall into the same welfare lifestyle that other blacks do.  Apparently you can't comprehend what I write either.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


#63
(09-09-2019, 06:52 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 05:38 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 03:57 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Actually it does since average black IQ is lower.  That is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools 50 years ago didn't really do what it was expected to do.

And what does any of that have to do with the impact of parenting on their kids chances of success? Do you think that white people can't be successful because oir IQs aren't as high as many asian countries? Again, there are plenty of intelligent, poor people that are being hindered by their environment.  I know you love to believe that all black people are 75 IQ, ghetto thugs, but you are clearly wrong.

You are trying too hard.  There was a time in America when there were a good number of white people with above average IQ's who never attended college.  Some never even finished high school.  Many were blue collar workers and the like but they made sure their kids went to college and they became quite successful.  Now everyone goes to college including people with below average IQ's.  A college education can be a joke and is no reflection of someone's IQ.  One of the ways we have dumbed down education is by the belief that if we brought blacks into the system by government edict, they would rise to the level of whites.  It obviously will never happen.  How do you not see the effect of bad black "parenting" when a race of people with lower average IQ's have 80% of their kids out of wedlock and no discernible family structure?  That is why we have the miserable ghettos that are getting worse and worse.  That is a function in large part of IQ and related lack of future orientation.  And average black IQ is getting lower all the time because the government pays the dumbest of the lot to reproduce while higher end independent blacks, just like whites, are having fewer children.  There are reasons why Haiti is not Switzerland and why Somalia is not Norway and you could not alter environments enough to materially change that.  Race is the most important factor and an America that is closer to 50% white than 90% white means the Idiocracy is on the way.

Bottom line is this.  No two people have the exact same background, same parents and same opportunities.  That is life and no government program can change it and in fact the government has created more stupidity by getting involved and destroying the schools.  Some people are more "hindered" than others.  That doesn't mean an intelligent person with ambition cannot rise above their disadvantages.  Most of the wealthiest people in the world did not inherit their wealth, had no special advantages due to their parents, and became super wealthy through their own drive and ambition.  Sociologists hate individualism.  They instead love to create victims and victim groups, like blacks, and this study is just another opportunity for that.

The study involved white and black. I've already stated that multiple times. The trend was that poor, not black, parents had a certain style of parenting that, when Revisited 10 years later appeared to have negatively impacted their kids. However, your obsession with believing that all blacks are dumb, and that is why there are poor, is duly noted.
I specifically noted above "higher end blacks" that don't fall into the same welfare lifestyle that other blacks do.  Apparently you can't comprehend what I write either.

Then why do you keep taking a study about parenting styles, and how it relates to future success, and try to turn it into a race issue?
#64
(09-09-2019, 05:41 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 03:38 PM)Orbit1 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 03:21 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 03:13 PM)Orbit1 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:22 PM)lrrps21 Wrote: Depends on the person and his lifestyle.

I agree. To a point. I would measure success as much more than dollar signs myself. Iâ€m by no means rich, firmly middle class, Iâ€ve def been worse off financially. However, thru those rough years, Iâ€ve always had a great marriage, good kids, and a good relationship with my parents and brothers. Iâ€ll take eating Kraft MAC n cheese for dinner and getting to play ball with my kids and come home to my wife, vs owning a Benz. Different strokes/different folks.

I don't think any parents want to see their kids being poor and very few people want to be poor.

Sure. I donâ€t disagree with you. But again Iâ€ll take being lower income and having a great family life vs, being rich and not. Like my wife has said, we can live anywhere, as long as we live there together.

Sure, but I'd hope to have high income and good family.

My point being, success is measure in many different ways. Someone raised in a ghetto that makes it out without being hooked on drugs might consider themselves successful. A kid raised in a broken home that has a good marriage is successful. Someone that watched their Dad beat their Mom everyday and never raised a hand to their own wife is successful. Someone who has to work two or three jobs to pay for an Associates Degree is successful. Not everything is money.
#65
(09-09-2019, 11:02 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:52 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 05:38 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: And what does any of that have to do with the impact of parenting on their kids chances of success? Do you think that white people can't be successful because oir IQs aren't as high as many asian countries? Again, there are plenty of intelligent, poor people that are being hindered by their environment.  I know you love to believe that all black people are 75 IQ, ghetto thugs, but you are clearly wrong.

You are trying too hard.  There was a time in America when there were a good number of white people with above average IQ's who never attended college.  Some never even finished high school.  Many were blue collar workers and the like but they made sure their kids went to college and they became quite successful.  Now everyone goes to college including people with below average IQ's.  A college education can be a joke and is no reflection of someone's IQ.  One of the ways we have dumbed down education is by the belief that if we brought blacks into the system by government edict, they would rise to the level of whites.  It obviously will never happen.  How do you not see the effect of bad black "parenting" when a race of people with lower average IQ's have 80% of their kids out of wedlock and no discernible family structure?  That is why we have the miserable ghettos that are getting worse and worse.  That is a function in large part of IQ and related lack of future orientation.  And average black IQ is getting lower all the time because the government pays the dumbest of the lot to reproduce while higher end independent blacks, just like whites, are having fewer children.  There are reasons why Haiti is not Switzerland and why Somalia is not Norway and you could not alter environments enough to materially change that.  Race is the most important factor and an America that is closer to 50% white than 90% white means the Idiocracy is on the way.

Bottom line is this.  No two people have the exact same background, same parents and same opportunities.  That is life and no government program can change it and in fact the government has created more stupidity by getting involved and destroying the schools.  Some people are more "hindered" than others.  That doesn't mean an intelligent person with ambition cannot rise above their disadvantages.  Most of the wealthiest people in the world did not inherit their wealth, had no special advantages due to their parents, and became super wealthy through their own drive and ambition.  Sociologists hate individualism.  They instead love to create victims and victim groups, like blacks, and this study is just another opportunity for that.

The study involved white and black. I've already stated that multiple times. The trend was that poor, not black, parents had a certain style of parenting that, when Revisited 10 years later appeared to have negatively impacted their kids. However, your obsession with believing that all blacks are dumb, and that is why there are poor, is duly noted.
I specifically noted above "higher end blacks" that don't fall into the same welfare lifestyle that other blacks do.  Apparently you can't comprehend what I write either.

Then why do you keep taking a study about parenting styles, and how it relates to future success, and try to turn it into a race issue?

Because in the real world race is the most determinative factor of all regarding parenting as it relates to future success or failure.  Of course a Leftist study is never going to acknowledge that.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


#66
(09-10-2019, 07:33 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 11:02 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:52 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: You are trying too hard.  There was a time in America when there were a good number of white people with above average IQ's who never attended college.  Some never even finished high school.  Many were blue collar workers and the like but they made sure their kids went to college and they became quite successful.  Now everyone goes to college including people with below average IQ's.  A college education can be a joke and is no reflection of someone's IQ.  One of the ways we have dumbed down education is by the belief that if we brought blacks into the system by government edict, they would rise to the level of whites.  It obviously will never happen.  How do you not see the effect of bad black "parenting" when a race of people with lower average IQ's have 80% of their kids out of wedlock and no discernible family structure?  That is why we have the miserable ghettos that are getting worse and worse.  That is a function in large part of IQ and related lack of future orientation.  And average black IQ is getting lower all the time because the government pays the dumbest of the lot to reproduce while higher end independent blacks, just like whites, are having fewer children.  There are reasons why Haiti is not Switzerland and why Somalia is not Norway and you could not alter environments enough to materially change that.  Race is the most important factor and an America that is closer to 50% white than 90% white means the Idiocracy is on the way.

Bottom line is this.  No two people have the exact same background, same parents and same opportunities.  That is life and no government program can change it and in fact the government has created more stupidity by getting involved and destroying the schools.  Some people are more "hindered" than others.  That doesn't mean an intelligent person with ambition cannot rise above their disadvantages.  Most of the wealthiest people in the world did not inherit their wealth, had no special advantages due to their parents, and became super wealthy through their own drive and ambition.  Sociologists hate individualism.  They instead love to create victims and victim groups, like blacks, and this study is just another opportunity for that.

The study involved white and black. I've already stated that multiple times. The trend was that poor, not black, parents had a certain style of parenting that, when Revisited 10 years later appeared to have negatively impacted their kids. However, your obsession with believing that all blacks are dumb, and that is why there are poor, is duly noted.
I specifically noted above "higher end blacks" that don't fall into the same welfare lifestyle that other blacks do.  Apparently you can't comprehend what I write either.

Then why do you keep taking a study about parenting styles, and how it relates to future success, and try to turn it into a race issue?

Because in the real world race is the most determinative factor of all regarding parenting as it relates to future success or failure.  Of course a Leftist study is never going to acknowledge that.

You want to believe that race is the most determining factor.  However, it seems highly unlikely that a physical trait, like skin pigmentation,  truly determines anything, particularly when it seems pretty clear, to anyone who cares to educate themselves, that culture is a huge influencer.  There's minimal difference in IQ between Hispanics,  blacks and native Americans, so it seems reasonable that there are other factors in play, since blacks, for example, really enjoy killing each other.
#67
(09-10-2019, 09:02 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 07:33 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 11:02 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:52 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: The study involved white and black. I've already stated that multiple times. The trend was that poor, not black, parents had a certain style of parenting that, when Revisited 10 years later appeared to have negatively impacted their kids. However, your obsession with believing that all blacks are dumb, and that is why there are poor, is duly noted.
I specifically noted above "higher end blacks" that don't fall into the same welfare lifestyle that other blacks do.  Apparently you can't comprehend what I write either.

Then why do you keep taking a study about parenting styles, and how it relates to future success, and try to turn it into a race issue?

Because in the real world race is the most determinative factor of all regarding parenting as it relates to future success or failure.  Of course a Leftist study is never going to acknowledge that.

You want to believe that race is the most determining factor.  However, it seems highly unlikely that a physical trait, like skin pigmentation,  truly determines anything, particularly when it seems pretty clear, to anyone who cares to educate themselves, that culture is a huge influencer.
The skin pigmentation comment is the usual straw man by race deniers.  Culture is mostly driven by race and race average IQ differences is a reason why.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


#68
(09-10-2019, 09:08 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:02 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 07:33 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 11:02 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 06:52 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: I specifically noted above "higher end blacks" that don't fall into the same welfare lifestyle that other blacks do.  Apparently you can't comprehend what I write either.

Then why do you keep taking a study about parenting styles, and how it relates to future success, and try to turn it into a race issue?

Because in the real world race is the most determinative factor of all regarding parenting as it relates to future success or failure.  Of course a Leftist study is never going to acknowledge that.

You want to believe that race is the most determining factor.  However, it seems highly unlikely that a physical trait, like skin pigmentation,  truly determines anything, particularly when it seems pretty clear, to anyone who cares to educate themselves, that culture is a huge influencer.
The skin pigmentation comment is the usual straw man by race deniers.  Culture is mostly driven by race and race average IQ differences is a reason why.

You think that physical traits of blacks make them kill each other and have children out of wedlock, at crazy rates?  Do you believe that lighter skinned people,  like Mexicans couldn't adopt the same culture bcause of some racially driven, physical limitations?
#69
(09-10-2019, 09:28 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:08 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:02 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 07:33 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 11:02 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Then why do you keep taking a study about parenting styles, and how it relates to future success, and try to turn it into a race issue?

Because in the real world race is the most determinative factor of all regarding parenting as it relates to future success or failure.  Of course a Leftist study is never going to acknowledge that.

You want to believe that race is the most determining factor.  However, it seems highly unlikely that a physical trait, like skin pigmentation,  truly determines anything, particularly when it seems pretty clear, to anyone who cares to educate themselves, that culture is a huge influencer.
The skin pigmentation comment is the usual straw man by race deniers.  Culture is mostly driven by race and race average IQ differences is a reason why.

You think that physical traits of blacks make them kill each other and have children out of wedlock, at crazy rates? 
Please stop with the dishonest straw man and implying that I am referring to physical traits such as skin color and hair type.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


#70
(09-10-2019, 09:39 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:28 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:08 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:02 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 07:33 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Because in the real world race is the most determinative factor of all regarding parenting as it relates to future success or failure.  Of course a Leftist study is never going to acknowledge that.

You want to believe that race is the most determining factor.  However, it seems highly unlikely that a physical trait, like skin pigmentation,  truly determines anything, particularly when it seems pretty clear, to anyone who cares to educate themselves, that culture is a huge influencer.
The skin pigmentation comment is the usual straw man by race deniers.  Culture is mostly driven by race and race average IQ differences is a reason why.

You think that physical traits of blacks make them kill each other and have children out of wedlock, at crazy rates? 
Please stop with the dishonest straw man and implying that I am referring to physical traits such as skin color and hair type.

Okay. Then what is it exactly? Hispanics, blacks and Native Americans have nearly identical average IQs. So it can't be that.
#71
(09-10-2019, 10:36 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:39 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:28 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:08 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-10-2019, 09:02 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: You want to believe that race is the most determining factor.  However, it seems highly unlikely that a physical trait, like skin pigmentation,  truly determines anything, particularly when it seems pretty clear, to anyone who cares to educate themselves, that culture is a huge influencer.
The skin pigmentation comment is the usual straw man by race deniers.  Culture is mostly driven by race and race average IQ differences is a reason why.

You think that physical traits of blacks make them kill each other and have children out of wedlock, at crazy rates? 
Please stop with the dishonest straw man and implying that I am referring to physical traits such as skin color and hair type.

Okay. Then what is it exactly? Hispanics, blacks and Native Americans have nearly identical average IQs. So it can't be that.
 No, Hispanics are a little higher.  Obviously blacks and Native Americans have massive issues when it comes to family and disfunction.  Asians have the least problems.  It's all about race.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


#72
(09-10-2019, 12:10 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: It's all about race.

FINALLY! 5 boards later.....admission is the first step. I'm pulling for you HT, more steps to come I hope.


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