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(09-21-2019, 08:43 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: In other games of interest, Florida has swerved into the mix thanks to the injury to their starting quarterback, Felipe Franks going out for the season against UK. The back up quarterback, Kyle Trask, a pure passer, is clearly superior and more consistent. Why do these programs hobble themselves with "athletic dual threat quarterbacks" who can't think and can't pass????
Not to be a smart azz, but Cam Newton, Tim Tebow and D Watson, among others, seemed to do just fine.
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(09-21-2019, 08:47 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:43 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: In other games of interest, Florida has swerved into the mix thanks to the injury to their starting quarterback, Felipe Franks going out for the season against UK. The back up quarterback, Kyle Trask, a pure passer, is clearly superior and more consistent. Why do these programs hobble themselves with "athletic dual threat quarterbacks" who can't think and can't pass????
Not to be a smart azz, but Cam Newton, Tim Tebow and D Watson, among others, seemed to do just fine.
None of the 3 you mentioned would be considered in the category I mentioned. Two of the three obviously have succeeded in the NFL. I am referring to quarterbacks who are given starting positions in college primarily because of their ability to run. Felipe Franks was terrible.
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(09-16-2019, 07:48 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-16-2019, 07:34 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (09-15-2019, 03:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Our panel of experts actually had OU as the first team out. The biggest concern is, even though they looked dominating with Jalen Hurts at QB, there is some doubt they can maintain it when they come up against a quality defense. We donâ€t face a quality defense this year unless we make the playoff.
Agree, but can a Texas or OSU force Hurts into a passing game where he can be exposed as a mediocre quarterback? texass lost most of the their D so maybe not. NottheOSU has no D so that isn†t happening.
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(09-21-2019, 08:53 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:47 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:43 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: In other games of interest, Florida has swerved into the mix thanks to the injury to their starting quarterback, Felipe Franks going out for the season against UK. The back up quarterback, Kyle Trask, a pure passer, is clearly superior and more consistent. Why do these programs hobble themselves with "athletic dual threat quarterbacks" who can't think and can't pass????
Not to be a smart azz, but Cam Newton, Tim Tebow and D Watson, among others, seemed to do just fine.
None of the 3 you mentioned would be considered in the category I mentioned. Two of the three obviously have succeeded in the NFL. I am referring to quarterbacks who are given starting positions in college primarily because of their ability to run. Felipe Franks was terrible.
Fair enough. They were athletic dual threat QBs that could think and pass. Tebow wasn't much of a passer though. Â
JTB led us to the playoffs twice. Of course we needed a passer to win it all and, yes, got curb stomped a couple years later with Barret at the helm. I guess what I'm saying is that coaches wouldn't put them in there if they didn't believe the could think and pass. Some are just better at it than others.
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(09-21-2019, 09:00 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:53 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:47 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:43 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: In other games of interest, Florida has swerved into the mix thanks to the injury to their starting quarterback, Felipe Franks going out for the season against UK. The back up quarterback, Kyle Trask, a pure passer, is clearly superior and more consistent. Why do these programs hobble themselves with "athletic dual threat quarterbacks" who can't think and can't pass????
Not to be a smart azz, but Cam Newton, Tim Tebow and D Watson, among others, seemed to do just fine.
None of the 3 you mentioned would be considered in the category I mentioned. Two of the three obviously have succeeded in the NFL. I am referring to quarterbacks who are given starting positions in college primarily because of their ability to run. Felipe Franks was terrible.
Fair enough. They were athletic dual threat QBs that could think and pass. Tebow wasn't much of a passer though. Â
JTB led us to the playoffs twice. Of course we needed a passer to win it all and, yes, got curb stomped a couple years later with Barret at the helm. I guess what I'm saying is that coaches wouldn't put them in there if they didn't believe the could think and pass. Some are just better at it than others. Coaches fall prey to trends and bad ideas. I think the idea of a quarterback who can't think and make good decisions and make accurate passes but who can run fast over a quarterback who isn't a good runner but a good leader and passer is a bad idea. The run option was all the rage and that is why Hurts was Saban's quarterback. The best coach in college football determined it was a better idea to go with a traditional quarterback which is the same opinion I have. Â
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(09-21-2019, 09:09 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-21-2019, 09:00 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:53 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:47 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:43 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: In other games of interest, Florida has swerved into the mix thanks to the injury to their starting quarterback, Felipe Franks going out for the season against UK. The back up quarterback, Kyle Trask, a pure passer, is clearly superior and more consistent. Why do these programs hobble themselves with "athletic dual threat quarterbacks" who can't think and can't pass????
Not to be a smart azz, but Cam Newton, Tim Tebow and D Watson, among others, seemed to do just fine.
None of the 3 you mentioned would be considered in the category I mentioned. Two of the three obviously have succeeded in the NFL. I am referring to quarterbacks who are given starting positions in college primarily because of their ability to run. Felipe Franks was terrible.
Fair enough. They were athletic dual threat QBs that could think and pass. Tebow wasn't much of a passer though. Â
JTB led us to the playoffs twice. Of course we needed a passer to win it all and, yes, got curb stomped a couple years later with Barret at the helm. I guess what I'm saying is that coaches wouldn't put them in there if they didn't believe the could think and pass. Some are just better at it than others. Coaches fall prey to trends and bad ideas. I think the idea of a quarterback who can't think and make good decisions and make accurate passes but who can run fast over a quarterback who isn't a good runner but a good leader and passer is a bad idea. The run option was all the rage and that is why Hurts was Saban's quarterback. The best coach in college football determined it was a better idea to go with a traditional quarterback which is the same opinion I have.  Would that QB be a white QB?
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(09-21-2019, 09:11 PM)zigbee Wrote: (09-21-2019, 09:09 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-21-2019, 09:00 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:53 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-21-2019, 08:47 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Not to be a smart azz, but Cam Newton, Tim Tebow and D Watson, among others, seemed to do just fine.
None of the 3 you mentioned would be considered in the category I mentioned. Two of the three obviously have succeeded in the NFL. I am referring to quarterbacks who are given starting positions in college primarily because of their ability to run. Felipe Franks was terrible.
Fair enough. They were athletic dual threat QBs that could think and pass. Tebow wasn't much of a passer though. Â
JTB led us to the playoffs twice. Of course we needed a passer to win it all and, yes, got curb stomped a couple years later with Barret at the helm. I guess what I'm saying is that coaches wouldn't put them in there if they didn't believe the could think and pass. Some are just better at it than others. Coaches fall prey to trends and bad ideas. I think the idea of a quarterback who can't think and make good decisions and make accurate passes but who can run fast over a quarterback who isn't a good runner but a good leader and passer is a bad idea. The run option was all the rage and that is why Hurts was Saban's quarterback. The best coach in college football determined it was a better idea to go with a traditional quarterback which is the same opinion I have.  Would that QB be a white QB?
The vast majority of the time. Clearly the Florida white back up quarterback is more effective than Franks, the starter.
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Georgia is not living up to expectations tonight. The Hightop rankings will be interesting if this holds.
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The kid at 'bama isn't white and HT concedes he's better than Hurts. So I guess he isn't racially biased 100% of the time. Â
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Ya know what's annoying? When you have PSVue and you can't watch the ND/Georgia game because for some reason it won't load. Â
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(09-21-2019, 09:15 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: The kid at 'bama isn't white and HT concedes he's better than Hurts. So I guess he isn't racially biased 100% of the time. Â
Zig tries to turn every thread into a white knighting opportunity. Starting to wonder about him. Â
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(09-21-2019, 09:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-21-2019, 09:15 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: The kid at 'bama isn't white and HT concedes he's better than Hurts. So I guess he isn't racially biased 100% of the time. Â
Zig tries to turn every thread into a white knighting opportunity. Starting to wonder about him.  You said the greatest coach and QB and I was thinking Dabo and his Giant white QB Trevor Lawrence.
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(09-21-2019, 09:27 PM)zigbee Wrote: (09-21-2019, 09:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-21-2019, 09:15 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: The kid at 'bama isn't white and HT concedes he's better than Hurts. So I guess he isn't racially biased 100% of the time. Â
Zig tries to turn every thread into a white knighting opportunity. Starting to wonder about him.  You said the greatest coach and QB and I was thinking Dabo and his Giant white QB Trevor Lawrence.
Has Dabo won as many championships as Saban? You do understand that Saban made the decision to replace Hurts the running quarterback with Tua to try and keep up with the white quarterback Lawrence?
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(09-21-2019, 09:21 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Ya know what's annoying? When you have PSVue and you can't watch the ND/Georgia game because for some reason it won't load. Â
Since I'm more or less relegated to watching Nebraska vs Illinois, I gotta say that I'm liking Illinois' uniforms tonight. Nice look. They should stick with them. Blue Jerseys, orange numbers, white helmets (with orange I), white pants. I looked for a pic but couldn't find one.
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Keep in mind the Hightop77 rankings are not unlike something like Sagarin and based on comparative scores and the like. A win is no guarantee of holding your position. If you don't live up to expectations you pay the price.  No politics here. Clemson, Alabama and OSU appear to have played well and kept their positions.
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