Ohio Ban on Down Syndome abortions halted by court of appeals in Cincinnati

[P1tchblack]

What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Most die by the time they're 60.  Very few can ever live independently, probably because their max IS is about 70.  They aren't able to have normal adult relationships.....there's plenty more readily available online.  But, again, if you're God, why do you intentionally make humans with abnormalities that are going to prevent them from living normal lives?  Isn't man supposed to be created in his image?

You're concerned about quality of life issues... fair enough.
Most die prior to 60 and never live independently because they're IQ < 70. Okay.
Most people who live past 60 and independently and have an IQ > 70 have a better quality of life? Hmmmm?

People with DS have a different life. A different life does not equate to a worse life, a miserable life, or a lesser life.
I have never met ONE person with DS who does not have a great life, who is not happy and filled with joy.
I could go on, but there is plenty more information online.

Other people's weaknesses are an opportunity to make us better, refine us to be less selfish, more caring, more loving, etc. I've dealt with people like you my daughter's whole life... those who think like you, use the same words you use. My wife's side of the family said she should abort it. Like you, they cited the same "quality of life issues." In my experience, those people, every single one, are miserable, depressed, angry... and definitely unhappy, very unhappy people.

Well, before I get put in timeout, again, for something I want to say, I'll just leave this topic with the following thought:

I support abortion up to the point that the thing in a woman's body is alive.  That time is when there's a heartbeat.  I'm not advocating being able to abort beyond that point because of an abnormality is discovered.

People with DS, blindness, missing limbs, etc have a lesser life compared to the lives of those without physical/mental abnormalities and, as with so many other things, the mental gymnastics that intelligent religious people, not just Christians, perform to rationalize stuff like this is insanity. People can learn to be less selfish, caring, loving etc without intentionally creating flawed humans.

[BoyGenius]

What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Most die by the time they're 60.  Very few can ever live independently, probably because their max IS is about 70.  They aren't able to have normal adult relationships.....there's plenty more readily available online.  But, again, if you're God, why do you intentionally make humans with abnormalities that are going to prevent them from living normal lives?  Isn't man supposed to be created in his image?

You're concerned about quality of life issues... fair enough.
Most die prior to 60 and never live independently because they're IQ < 70. Okay.
Most people who live past 60 and independently and have an IQ > 70 have a better quality of life? Hmmmm?

People with DS have a different life. A different life does not equate to a worse life, a miserable life, or a lesser life.
I have never met ONE person with DS who does not have a great life, who is not happy and filled with joy.
I could go on, but there is plenty more information online.

Other people's weaknesses are an opportunity to make us better, refine us to be less selfish, more caring, more loving, etc. I've dealt with people like you my daughter's whole life... those who think like you, use the same words you use. My wife's side of the family said she should abort it. Like you, they cited the same "quality of life issues." In my experience, those people, every single one, are miserable, depressed, angry... and definitely unhappy, very unhappy people.

Well, before I get put in timeout, again, for something I want to say, I'll just leave this topic with the following thought:

I support abortion up to the point that the thing in a woman's body is alive.  That time is when there's a heartbeat.  I'm not advocating being able to abort beyond that point because of an abnormality is discovered.

People with DS, blindness, missing limbs, etc have a lesser life compared to the lives of those without physical/mental abnormalities and, as with so many other things, the mental gymnastics that intelligent religious people, not just Christians, perform to rationalize stuff like this is insanity. People can learn to be less selfish, caring, loving etc without intentionally creating flawed humans.

Your thinly veiled rant against God is noted.
FYI... learning to be less selfish and more caring requires flawed humans.
PS: you love getting banned... you love the attention it brings.

[Hightop77]

Thank God we have someone with no human flaws like Pitch to tell us who has value and who doesn't.

[BoyGenius]

Thank God we have someone with no human flaws like Pitch to tell us who has value and who doesn't.

Well P1tch and Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc.

[P1tchblack]

What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Most die by the time they're 60.  Very few can ever live independently, probably because their max IS is about 70.  They aren't able to have normal adult relationships.....there's plenty more readily available online.  But, again, if you're God, why do you intentionally make humans with abnormalities that are going to prevent them from living normal lives?  Isn't man supposed to be created in his image?

You're concerned about quality of life issues... fair enough.
Most die prior to 60 and never live independently because they're IQ < 70. Okay.
Most people who live past 60 and independently and have an IQ > 70 have a better quality of life? Hmmmm?

People with DS have a different life. A different life does not equate to a worse life, a miserable life, or a lesser life.
I have never met ONE person with DS who does not have a great life, who is not happy and filled with joy.
I could go on, but there is plenty more information online.

Other people's weaknesses are an opportunity to make us better, refine us to be less selfish, more caring, more loving, etc. I've dealt with people like you my daughter's whole life... those who think like you, use the same words you use. My wife's side of the family said she should abort it. Like you, they cited the same "quality of life issues." In my experience, those people, every single one, are miserable, depressed, angry... and definitely unhappy, very unhappy people.

Well, before I get put in timeout, again, for something I want to say, I'll just leave this topic with the following thought:

I support abortion up to the point that the thing in a woman's body is alive.  That time is when there's a heartbeat.  I'm not advocating being able to abort beyond that point because of an abnormality is discovered.

People with DS, blindness, missing limbs, etc have a lesser life compared to the lives of those without physical/mental abnormalities and, as with so many other things, the mental gymnastics that intelligent religious people, not just Christians, perform to rationalize stuff like this is insanity. People can learn to be less selfish, caring, loving etc without intentionally creating flawed humans.

Your thinly veiled rant against God is noted.
FYI... learning to be less selfish and more caring requires flawed humans.
PS: you love getting banned... you love the attention it brings.

I have no opinion on being banned.  I only accept it as part of ruffling people's feathers.

[3rdgensooner]

BG is correct. Everyoneâ€s life is different and valuable. It is not for us to say whoâ€s life has more value or is not worth living. I wouldnâ€t want to have DS or wish it on anyone but I accept those who have it and other significant disabilities and donâ€t view their lives as diminished. That is too shallow a view of existence.

[zigbee]

BG is correct. Everyoneâ€s life is different and valuable. It is not for us to say whoâ€s life has more value or is not worth living. I wouldnâ€t want to have DS or wish it on anyone but I accept those who have it and other significant disabilities and donâ€t view their lives as diminished. That is too shallow a view of existence.

It's very similar to saying a person not as wealthy, good looking, intelligent, etc as another or themselves doesn't have a life worth living as they can't live as well as them.  Pretty absurd and that got p1tchblack a week break.