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Millennial Thinking? - sample size of one
#13
(10-19-2019, 09:06 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(10-18-2019, 05:49 PM)ChinaBuck Wrote: About nine weeks ago a valuable employee (30 years old) of mine had to go to a series of doctors appointments right in the heat of overlapping deadlines. I told her no problem, health comes first. The rest of us just had to suck it up, no complaints from others. Tests showed that she has some sort of tumor (for privacy I will not give the details) that will require surgery. She leaves work immediately but thinks she can be back in three weeks. I said no problem. 

She gets the results and the great news is that the tumor is benign. Later we hear she had the surgery and it was successful with zero complications. But she wanted more time off. We were still quite busy, but sure, we approved another three weeks off. We follow Chinese law on paid sick time off, plus she can use remaining vacation time and compensation time for OT plus we also gave her an additional two weeks of salary. Because, like I said, she is a very valued employee. 

Then she said she needs another three weeks off to still recover physically and emotionally. Well....not really knowing the issue we said OK. That makes 9 weeks. But the (we think very gracious) compensation only covers 7 1/2 of the 9 weeks. So yesterday I asked about her return next week. Sheâ€s not happy that we didnâ€t cover the whole 9 weeks. So sheâ€s quitting. 

Am I the ***** here? (AITA In reddit-speak) We are a small company with very flexible policy so I feel we were doing our best. I say fine, good riddance. But my partner wants to encourage to stay. That is give her money. I say no. 

What say you?

You got through 9 busy weeks without her. Maybe she's not as valuable as you thought.
Sheâ€s talented but not that talented. My partner disagrees, but Iâ€m sensing that none of the other employees are now feeling she needs to return.
"Don't, I say don't bother me dog, can't ya see I'm thinkin'?"   Foghorn Leghorn
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#14
(10-19-2019, 10:45 AM)ChinaBuck Wrote:
(10-19-2019, 09:06 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(10-18-2019, 05:49 PM)ChinaBuck Wrote: About nine weeks ago a valuable employee (30 years old) of mine had to go to a series of doctors appointments right in the heat of overlapping deadlines. I told her no problem, health comes first. The rest of us just had to suck it up, no complaints from others. Tests showed that she has some sort of tumor (for privacy I will not give the details) that will require surgery. She leaves work immediately but thinks she can be back in three weeks. I said no problem. 

She gets the results and the great news is that the tumor is benign. Later we hear she had the surgery and it was successful with zero complications. But she wanted more time off. We were still quite busy, but sure, we approved another three weeks off. We follow Chinese law on paid sick time off, plus she can use remaining vacation time and compensation time for OT plus we also gave her an additional two weeks of salary. Because, like I said, she is a very valued employee. 

Then she said she needs another three weeks off to still recover physically and emotionally. Well....not really knowing the issue we said OK. That makes 9 weeks. But the (we think very gracious) compensation only covers 7 1/2 of the 9 weeks. So yesterday I asked about her return next week. Sheâ€s not happy that we didnâ€t cover the whole 9 weeks. So sheâ€s quitting. 

Am I the ***** here? (AITA In reddit-speak) We are a small company with very flexible policy so I feel we were doing our best. I say fine, good riddance. But my partner wants to encourage to stay. That is give her money. I say no. 

What say you?

You got through 9 busy weeks without her. Maybe she's not as valuable as you thought.
Sheâ€s talented but not that talented. My partner disagrees, but Iâ€m sensing that none of the other employees are now feeling she needs to return.

That part does not surprise me at all.  The people who had to work with her knew her better than management which is often the case.
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#15
(10-19-2019, 09:26 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Coverage for 9 weeks when the policy is 7.5?  Money for nothing...  Look, sweetheart, Iâ€m trying to run a business here.  You millennials really are a hoot.
Exactly! The biz cannot make money on someone that isnâ€t around. Giving here another 1 1/2 weeks of salary is not a lot of money, but itâ€s the damn principle
"Don't, I say don't bother me dog, can't ya see I'm thinkin'?"   Foghorn Leghorn
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#16
(10-19-2019, 09:28 AM)AkronBuck Wrote:
(10-18-2019, 06:51 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(10-18-2019, 06:41 PM)ChinaBuck Wrote: Let me throw some chum in the water. While this lady is Chinese, but she went to architecture school in LA and ended up living there for a while. Total of 10 years.

So as an employee she was Americanized which is not necessarily a good thing.  Another problem with employees like her is they change the standards and other employees then expect the same treatment.
This is a really good point I have not yet mentioned to my partner. 

^^^^^  THIS  ^^^^^
"Don't, I say don't bother me dog, can't ya see I'm thinkin'?"   Foghorn Leghorn
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#17
(10-19-2019, 09:29 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(10-18-2019, 05:49 PM)ChinaBuck Wrote: What say you?

No one is irreplaceable. Move on. You were very accommodating, even nice.
If you have time, check out the best HR manual I've read...  

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Thanks. Iâ€ll have to check this out.
"Don't, I say don't bother me dog, can't ya see I'm thinkin'?"   Foghorn Leghorn
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#18
Quote:Exactly! The biz cannot make money on someone that isnâ€t around. Giving here another 1 1/2 weeks of salary is not a lot of money, but itâ€s the damn principle


It also sets a precedence.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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#19
(10-19-2019, 10:47 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(10-19-2019, 10:45 AM)ChinaBuck Wrote:
(10-19-2019, 09:06 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(10-18-2019, 05:49 PM)ChinaBuck Wrote: About nine weeks ago a valuable employee (30 years old) of mine had to go to a series of doctors appointments right in the heat of overlapping deadlines. I told her no problem, health comes first. The rest of us just had to suck it up, no complaints from others. Tests showed that she has some sort of tumor (for privacy I will not give the details) that will require surgery. She leaves work immediately but thinks she can be back in three weeks. I said no problem. 

She gets the results and the great news is that the tumor is benign. Later we hear she had the surgery and it was successful with zero complications. But she wanted more time off. We were still quite busy, but sure, we approved another three weeks off. We follow Chinese law on paid sick time off, plus she can use remaining vacation time and compensation time for OT plus we also gave her an additional two weeks of salary. Because, like I said, she is a very valued employee. 

Then she said she needs another three weeks off to still recover physically and emotionally. Well....not really knowing the issue we said OK. That makes 9 weeks. But the (we think very gracious) compensation only covers 7 1/2 of the 9 weeks. So yesterday I asked about her return next week. Sheâ€s not happy that we didnâ€t cover the whole 9 weeks. So sheâ€s quitting. 

Am I the ***** here? (AITA In reddit-speak) We are a small company with very flexible policy so I feel we were doing our best. I say fine, good riddance. But my partner wants to encourage to stay. That is give her money. I say no. 

What say you?

You got through 9 busy weeks without her. Maybe she's not as valuable as you thought.
Sheâ€s talented but not that talented. My partner disagrees, but Iâ€m sensing that none of the other employees are now feeling she needs to return.

That part does not surprise me at all.  The people who had to work with her knew her better than management which is often the case.

I'd wager she's more trouble than she's worth. If she's not missed by the other employees, she's expendable. Ask your partner why she wants her back - be direct. You'll have the info needed to make the best decision. If she sidesteps the question, find a new partner.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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#20
(10-19-2019, 10:45 AM)ChinaBuck Wrote:
(10-19-2019, 09:06 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(10-18-2019, 05:49 PM)ChinaBuck Wrote: About nine weeks ago a valuable employee (30 years old) of mine had to go to a series of doctors appointments right in the heat of overlapping deadlines. I told her no problem, health comes first. The rest of us just had to suck it up, no complaints from others. Tests showed that she has some sort of tumor (for privacy I will not give the details) that will require surgery. She leaves work immediately but thinks she can be back in three weeks. I said no problem. 

She gets the results and the great news is that the tumor is benign. Later we hear she had the surgery and it was successful with zero complications. But she wanted more time off. We were still quite busy, but sure, we approved another three weeks off. We follow Chinese law on paid sick time off, plus she can use remaining vacation time and compensation time for OT plus we also gave her an additional two weeks of salary. Because, like I said, she is a very valued employee. 

Then she said she needs another three weeks off to still recover physically and emotionally. Well....not really knowing the issue we said OK. That makes 9 weeks. But the (we think very gracious) compensation only covers 7 1/2 of the 9 weeks. So yesterday I asked about her return next week. Sheâ€s not happy that we didnâ€t cover the whole 9 weeks. So sheâ€s quitting. 

Am I the ***** here? (AITA In reddit-speak) We are a small company with very flexible policy so I feel we were doing our best. I say fine, good riddance. But my partner wants to encourage to stay. That is give her money. I say no. 

What say you?

You got through 9 busy weeks without her. Maybe she's not as valuable as you thought.
Sheâ€s talented but not that talented. My partner disagrees, but Iâ€m sensing that none of the other employees are now feeling she needs to return.

There are a lot of employees that believe that they are too valuable to fire. There are a lot of employers who believe that certain employees are too valuable to fire. In all my years of firing and seeing people get fired, no one person has ever been that's significant.  If anything, you'll find other employees that step up when given the opportunity.
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#21
All people can be replaced.  People are lining up for my job already and I'm sure they will do just fine.
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