FBI Asst. Director of Counterterrorism Michael McGarrity has to repeatedly explain to Ocasio-Cortez that domestic terrorists are not charged with domestic terrorism because no domestic terrorist statute exists
AOC, who is a "lawmaker*, does not understand what that means
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(06-04-2019, 05:35 PM)somenole Wrote: Trump/republican lies/hypocrisy/snowflake moves would crowd out every other thread. You would have to buy 2 or 3 extra gigs of storage from the host if I were to do that thread.
Iâ€m content just to periodically throw the wrench at the monkey.
Cory Booker suggests spending money on border security is like rejecting Jewish refugees during the Holocaust... https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/...wsrc%5Etfw
Booker was referencing... FDR rejected thousands of Jewish refugees during the Holocaust... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/u...180957324/
I wasn't aware the US govt turned away 1000s of Jewish refugees, fearing they were Nazi spies... it was an interesting read.
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https://theintercept.com/2019/03/23/dome...pport-law/
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism
Terrorism Definitions
International terrorism: Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).
--for example, the December 2, 2015 shooting in San Bernardino, CA, that killed 14 people and wounded 22 which involved a married couple who radicalized for some time prior to the attack and were inspired by multiple extremist ideologies and foreign terrorist organizations.
Domestic terrorism: Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
--for example, the June 8, 2014 Las Vegas shooting, during which two police officers inside a restaurant were killed in an ambush-style attack, which was committed by a married couple who held anti-government views and who intended to use the shooting to start a revolution.
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(06-10-2019, 08:00 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: Cory Booker suggests spending money on border security is like rejecting Jewish refugees during the Holocaust... https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/...wsrc%5Etfw
Booker was referencing... FDR rejected thousands of Jewish refugees during the Holocaust... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/u...180957324/
I wasn't aware the US govt turned away 1000s of Jewish refugees, fearing they were Nazi spies... it was an interesting read.
This fear was real and it stemmed from an incident among others from WWI, and the attack on Pearl Harbor months prior.
The Black Tom explosion was an act of sabotage by German agents to destroy U.S.-made munitions that were to be supplied to the Allies in World War I. The explosions, which occurred on July 30, 1916, in the New York Harbor, destroyed some $22,000,000 worth of military goods.[1][2] This incident, which happened prior to U.S. entry into World War I, also famously damaged the Statue of Liberty.[3]
Concerns over suspicions that this was the fault of German spies were initially quelled. The International Secret Service at the time stated that mosquitoes were to blame. According to Ervin J. Smith, the first vice president of the International Secret Service, "The watchmen employed to guard the millions of dollars-worth of war materials were bothered by mosquitos, and built a smudge to drive them away. A spark from this fire ignited some excelsior under a box car loaded with small shells. These exploded and the rest is history." This statement made by Ervin Smith later turned out to be false, and the true motive was quickly revealed.[4]
This attack was one of many during the German sabotage campaign against the United States, and it is notable for its contribution to the shift of public opinion against Germany, which eventually resulted in American support to enter World War I.[3]
The Russian government sued the Lehigh Valley Railroad Company operating the Black Tom Terminal on grounds that lax security (there was no entrance gate; the territory was unlit)[37] permitted the loss of their ammunition and argued that due to the failure to deliver them the manufacturer was obliged by the contract to replace them.[10]
The Lehigh Valley Railroad, advised by John J. McCloy, sought damages against Germany under the Treaty of Berlin from the German-American Mixed Claims Commission. The Mixed Claims Commission declared in 1939 that Imperial Germany had been responsible and awarded $50 million (the largest claim) in damages which Nazi Germany refused to pay.[38] The issue was finally settled in 1953 on $95 million (interest included) with the Federal Republic of Germany.[39] The final payment was made in 1979.[40]
The Statue of Liberty's torch has been closed to the public since the explosion due to structural damages.[41][42] Access was not opened after the 1984–86 restoration which included repairs to the arm and installation of a new gold-plated copper torch.[43]
The Black Tom explosion resulted in the establishment of domestic intelligence agencies for the United States.[44]Â The then Police Commissioner of New York, Arthur Woods, argued, "The lessons to America are clear as day. We must not again be caught napping with no adequate national intelligence organization. The several federal bureaus should be welded into one and that one should be eternally and comprehensively vigilant."Â [45]Â The explosion also played a role in how future presidents responded to military conflict. President Franklin D. Roosevelt used the Black Tom explosion as part of his rationale for the internment of Japanese-Americans following the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1942.[45]
The incident also influenced public safety legislation.[44] As a result of the sabotage techniques used by Germany, and the United States' declaration of war on Germany, lead to the creation of the Espionage Act passed by congress in late 1917.[3] Landfill projects later made Black Tom Island part of the mainland, and it was incorporated into Liberty State Park. The former Black Tom Island is at the end of Morris Pesin Drive in the southeastern corner of the park, where a plaque marks the spot of the explosion. A circle of U.S. flags complements the plaque, which stands east of the visitors' center.
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But I think Booker is off base on this due to the US in a war and being pretty careful compared to a barrage on our southern border in attempt to infiltrate the nation and collect from our government.
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http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=...hapter113B&edition=prelim
5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
© occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States; and
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(06-08-2019, 08:38 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: FBI Asst. Director of Counterterrorism Michael McGarrity has to repeatedly explain to Ocasio-Cortez that domestic terrorists are not charged with domestic terrorism because no domestic terrorist statute exists
AOC, who is a "lawmaker*, does not understand what that means
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One would think the FBI Asst. Director would be correct on such a matter, but is he?
Which of the two was apparently more correct here?
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Quote:I wasn't aware the US govt turned away 1000s of Jewish refugees, fearing they were Nazi spies... it was an interesting read.
I posted about this on the NH 1.0. I was called 'stupid' by none other than 3v.
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I had a professor on my committee who was among those turned away from the US. He got his BS degree from the U, of Havana.
Very interesting fellow, highly regarded in his field, he "wrote the book" literally in fact, nice guy. His story is pretty well known.
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Well known to those that read. 3v obviously isn't.
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(06-10-2019, 09:51 AM)lrrps21 Wrote: Quote:I wasn't aware the US govt turned away 1000s of Jewish refugees, fearing they were Nazi spies... it was an interesting read.
I posted about this on the NH 1.0. I was called 'stupid' by none other than 3v.
 This picture is worth a billion words on who is stupid.
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So, was AOC actually correct in her assertions?
First time for everything.
On the one hand, we have a career LEO... FBI Asst. Director of Counterterrorism stating there is no domestic terrorism statute available to charge vs Cinci, an unknown Internet lawyer and "legal expert" who claims otherwise. I think I'll go with the FBI Asst. Director of Counterterrorism's testimony, especially as he would know the ins-and-outs of federal terrorism statutes, both foreign and domestic.
For your convenience...
McGarrity: "There is no domestic terrorism charge like 18 US... a,b,c,d for a foreign terrorist organization."
AOC: "Was the actual charge domestic terrorism?"
McGarrity: "You're not going to find a charge of actual terrorism... if you look at Title 18. There's a statute, but it defines domestic terrorism, it's not a statute you can charge... like under 23-39 for foreign terrorist."
McGarrity goes on to explain the FBI uses multiple statutes to go after domestic terrorists ranging from weapons of mass destruction charges to gun charges and drug charges... that is according to McGarrity.
No... AOC was not correct this time.
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There clearly are USC Code sections on Domestic Terrorism.
18 USC Ch. 113B: TERRORISM
I pasted the relevant portion, and it clearly says Domestic Terrorism. So, who was right here?
I'm not saying I'm right, I'm asking the question, after posting several relevant passages.
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