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I had a professor on my committee who was among those turned away from the US. He got his BS degree from the U, of Havana.
Very interesting fellow, highly regarded in his field, he "wrote the book" literally in fact, nice guy. His story is pretty well known.
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Well known to those that read. 3v obviously isn't.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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(06-10-2019, 09:51 AM)lrrps21 Wrote: Quote:I wasn't aware the US govt turned away 1000s of Jewish refugees, fearing they were Nazi spies... it was an interesting read.
I posted about this on the NH 1.0. I was called 'stupid' by none other than 3v.
 This picture is worth a billion words on who is stupid.
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So, was AOC actually correct in her assertions?
First time for everything.
On the one hand, we have a career LEO... FBI Asst. Director of Counterterrorism stating there is no domestic terrorism statute available to charge vs Cinci, an unknown Internet lawyer and "legal expert" who claims otherwise. I think I'll go with the FBI Asst. Director of Counterterrorism's testimony, especially as he would know the ins-and-outs of federal terrorism statutes, both foreign and domestic.
For your convenience...
McGarrity: "There is no domestic terrorism charge like 18 US... a,b,c,d for a foreign terrorist organization."
AOC: "Was the actual charge domestic terrorism?"
McGarrity: "You're not going to find a charge of actual terrorism... if you look at Title 18. There's a statute, but it defines domestic terrorism, it's not a statute you can charge... like under 23-39 for foreign terrorist."
McGarrity goes on to explain the FBI uses multiple statutes to go after domestic terrorists ranging from weapons of mass destruction charges to gun charges and drug charges... that is according to McGarrity.
No... AOC was not correct this time.
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There clearly are USC Code sections on Domestic Terrorism.
18 USC Ch. 113B: TERRORISM
I pasted the relevant portion, and it clearly says Domestic Terrorism. So, who was right here?
I'm not saying I'm right, I'm asking the question, after posting several relevant passages.
McGarrity says otherwise. No statute to charge.
You're wrong. Again. It's now a trend. You are on a roll with getting educated.
Next time, don't become so emotional and post your nonsensical twaddle trying to entrap BoyGenius in your childish "gotcha" games.
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BG's post seemed very clear to me......
McGarrity: "You're not going to find a charge of actual terrorism... if you look at Title 18. There's a statute, but it defines domestic terrorism, it's not a statute you can charge... like under 23-39 for foreign terrorist."
McGarrity goes on to explain the FBI uses multiple statutes to go after domestic terrorists ranging from weapons of mass destruction charges to gun charges and drug charges... that is according to McGarrity.
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(06-10-2019, 10:57 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: BG's post seemed very clear to me......
McGarrity: "You're not going to find a charge of actual terrorism... if you look at Title 18. There's a statute, but it defines domestic terrorism, it's not a statute you can charge... like under 23-39 for foreign terrorist."
McGarrity goes on to explain the FBI uses multiple statutes to go after domestic terrorists ranging from weapons of mass destruction charges to gun charges and drug charges... that is according to McGarrity.
Yes, I came to the same conclusion as well.  It's defined and the criminal laws broken don't say domestic terrorism, etc. but what happens are statutes broken which can viewed as committing a domestic terror act. The rep from NY was wrong as with most things coming out of her mouth and the FBI guy was right.
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(06-10-2019, 10:20 AM)cincydawg Wrote: So, was AOC actually correct in her assertions?
First time for everything.
To this day, she still doesn't understand the law...
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(06-10-2019, 11:08 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: (06-10-2019, 10:20 AM)cincydawg Wrote: So, was AOC actually correct in her assertions?
First time for everything.
To this day, she still doesn't understand the law...
Her voters don't know either. Neither do they care. The vote for her solely because she is Hispanic.
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06-10-2019, 12:03 PM
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That is why I asked the question, repeatedly, for understanding.
It seems a bit semantic to me, they charge for crimes committed under the act and define domestic terrorism in it for some reason, but they charge for the specific incident.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/domestic-...ccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEkv-LLAgwsmcZT-dBBi3oje8kstou3P_0emJbWxHH-cCc9BFPQkSJI7sq-cr9nBfX3TQs_fpZLEAKRSn9JBdFn7bKH-h66D98yZK423bT_qezz6lrIjeiV7smyZJRLWWrkxIQRzbZamsqoHcoXiM7icBxhXr-UEspAUR9jRzAsz
Domestic terrorism is already defined under federal law — there just aren†t any criminal penalties associated with the definition. Federal law defines domestic terrorism as actions dangerous to human life that:
violate federal or state criminal law
appear intended to intimidate or coerce civilians; to influence government policy by intimidation or coercion; or to impact government conduct by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and
occur within the U.S.
There are cases in which domestic extremists can face federal terrorism charges. Michael German, who infiltrated extremist groups as a former FBI agent, wrote a report last year identifying 51 terrorism charges that could apply to both international and domestic acts. But most of those charges relate to hyper-specific scenarios — things like destroying an airplane, producing the smallpox virus, taking a hostage, making a threat involving weapons of mass destruction, or attacking a mass transportation system.
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